DISQUS

likwidshoe · 4 years ago

More and more it seems that the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement is merely a group of annoying gnats, their hateful rhetoric virtually harmless.

Apparently Ralph has comprehension problems. No wonder he disagrees - he doesn't even understand the issue and the arguments!

In any regard Ralph, I'm going to spell it out for you - we are anti illegal immigration. Did you miss that big boy? Here,..I'll bolden and capitalize the important word just for you chief - anti ILLEGAL immigration.

You may now carry on with your ignorant synopsis of topics that in no way describe the parent article.

Ralph · 4 years ago

It's good to see US businesses finally realizing that these people are people. More and more it seems that the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement is merely a group of annoying gnats, their hateful rhetoric virtually harmless.

Rob · 4 years ago

I'm all for American businesses going out of their way to help immigrants. Immigration is good for this country. Its what has made America great.

Illegal immigration, however, is another matter entirely. I don't like to see American businesses adding incentive for foreigners to break out immigration and border security laws.

But hey, if its easier for you to label us all racists rather than, you know, actually discuss the points of the issue then feel free. You certainly aren't the first.

Porkopolis · 4 years ago

Rob:

In case you missed it, there was a page 1, Wall Street Journal article on this trend. See: July 8, 2005: Fight against illegal immigration into U.S. officially lost

Rob · 4 years ago

Thank you Porkopolis, I hadn't read that.

Ralph · 4 years ago

"... if its easier for you to label us all racists..."

I never labeled anyone a racist.

Rob · 4 years ago

Oh. Sorry. You accused us of "hateful rhetoric." I assumed you meant racism by that.

My point still applies.

Ralph · 4 years ago

Actually, the hateful rhetoric remark was made with respect to the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement. If you understood that to be a comment about you personally, then you must consider yourself to be a paranoid radical anti-immigratin fanatic. Most people in that movement are in denial and resist being called paranoid radicals. The fact that you acknowledge that indicates good mental health.

Marty · 4 years ago

Showing a little respect for law and order doesn't make one paranoid or anti-immigration, Ralph. NOT showing it makes you a menace to society however... I happen to love immigrants. But those who would disrespect our laws and illegally penetrate our borders (and those who would not enforce the laws protecting our borders) are a menace to our society.

Ralph · 4 years ago

Good point. Showing respect for the law does not render one paranoid, anti-immigrant or a monkey. That's probably why showing respect for the law has absolutely nothing to do with being a paranoid radical anti-immigrant fanatic. Paranoid radical anti-immigrant fanatics are paranoid, radical, anti-immigrant and fanatical. So as you so rightly concluded, merely showing respect for the law does not meet all these characteristics.

Now you have accused me of NOT showing respect for the law. Just this morning, I saw a can of Pepsi in the fridge. It looked good. I was thirsty. But instead of taking it, I went out and bought my own. I didn't take it because it would be unlawful to take it. Thus, I have shown respect for the law. I have done many other things that show respect for the law.

Now I would like to accuse you of being ignorant.

likwidshoe · 4 years ago

Ralph said, Actually, the hateful rhetoric remark was made with respect to the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement.

Why would you make that remark here where it doesn't apply?

If you understood that to be a comment about you personally, then you must consider yourself to be a paranoid radical anti-immigratin fanatic.

You made the first comment and it is obvious who you were making it to Ralph. You can stop your bullshit mind games now.

Now I would like to accuse you of being ignorant.

And I'd like to safely say that you are a stupid asshole Ralph.

Ralph · 4 years ago

Ok I see we've started with the personal insults now so I'll leave you blessed people to do that.

Just to reiterate my comment, in this country and in this world, there are challenges, problems, opportunities and impasses. You can sit back and whine and complain about what everyone else is doing. That accomplishes nothing. The other alternative is to devise practical plans to address problems and take advantage of opportunities.

Those clueless paranoid radical anti-immigrant fanatics that whine are accomplishing nothing. In some cases they're actually worsening the problems. Well Fargo, other banks and businesses, and some leaders, however, by their actions, are addressing the challenges and opportunities posed by immigration to the net benefit of society as a whole.

likwidshoe · 4 years ago

Ok I see we've started with the personal insults now so I'll leave you blessed people to do that.

Yes. That started with your first comment which happens to be the first comment.

Those clueless paranoid radical anti-immigrant fanatics that whine are accomplishing nothing. In some cases they're actually worsening the problems.

You're acting the part of clueless dipshit again. We are anti-ILLEGAL immigration. That does not make us "paranoid" or "radical". But ignore that explanation again and continue to insult us and the issue and then cry about the returned insults. It shows us that you have no argument when you can't even properly address the subject at hand.

Ralph · 4 years ago

"We are anti-ILLEGAL immigration. That does not make us 'paranoid' or 'radical'."

I repeat myself again, I was not necessarily referring to YOU when referring to the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement. I stated this before very clearly. How many fucking times do I have to say this in order for you to get it through your thick skull? Really! I'd like to know.

likwidshoe · 4 years ago

I repeat myself again, I was not necessarily referring to YOU when referring to the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement. I stated this before very clearly.

Why would you bring it up if it doesn't apply to anybody here?

Why would you say it after Rob was talking about the illegal immigration aspect and how Wells Fargo Bank ends up promoting illegal immigration?

Why would you disagree and then say, "paranoid radical anti-immigration movement is merely a group of annoying gnats, their hateful rhetoric virtually harmless" thereby strongly suggesting, if not stating outright, that Rob and others who disagree with Wells Fargo Bank's actions are the "paranoid radical anti-immigration" people of which you speak?

I stated this before very clearly.

Yes you did. And then you proceeded to insult and miscategorize.

How many fucking times do I have to say this in order for you to get it through your thick skull? Really! I'd like to know.

Get angry that I have been dissecting your facetious logic Ralph. It suits you well. Now insult me again you little prick.

Porkopolis · 4 years ago

Ralph:

I've been monitoring this thread and have a question for you? It all centers around what appears to be a convenient use of rhetorical (your word) juxtaposition.

Your comment, in verbatim, was:

It's good to see US businesses finally realizing that these people are people. More and more it seems that the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement is merely a group of annoying gnats, their hateful rhetoric virtually harmless.

First, I would strongly agree with your truism, "these people are people". That's not in question. However, their legal immigration status is; the point upon which Rob's post is based on (as is the one I refer to in July 8, 2005: Fight against illegal immigration into U.S. officially lost).

Individuals like Rob and I are not upset that US businesses are "finally realizing that these people are people". We're upset (actually, I'm enraged) because US businesses are accomodating individuals that have not established a legal status (citizenship, green card, visa, etc.) to be in the U.S. to conduct any business; especially in light of 9/11 and the Global War on Terror.

Having supported the actions of Wells Fargo in your first sentence, you then immediately juxtapose the following sentence:

More and more it seems that the paranoid radical anti-immigration movement is merely a group of annoying gnats, their hateful rhetoric virtually harmless.

Why would you expect that any reader of that comment and sentiment not have it applied to the individuals, like myself, that are against the very position you support - Specifically that, "US businesses finally realizing that these people [illegal immigrants] are people" worthy of being sponsored for identification; identification that our own FBI has characterized as a security threat?

Do you just have an automatic comment response search engine that posts your 'rhetoric' whenever it finds a blog entry with the word 'immigrants' in it and have yet to fine tune it for posts on 'illegal immigrants'?

You're being too cute by half if you expect me to believe that your sentiment is solely directed to anti-immigrants as opposed to anti-illegal immigrants. The very title of Rob's post is "Wells Fargo Apparently Sponsoring Identification For Illegal Immigrants".

WETBACK · 4 years ago

Ah its so heart warming to see all the good natured people in this forum, the same ones who cry "Love the sinner but hate the crime" Yep. the same people who cry for a police state so big brother can protect them. the same people who call america a democracy, yep these people arent patriots there traitors just like our whole dam government. The nerve of some patriots who had enough of this invited invasion. yep them racists, aryan nationers, white powerests. We the American people have every right to protect ourselves and our family regardless of what our good for nothing but tyranny government sais.

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch"

Invite a bunch of 3rd world illegals in, give them the right to vote, LOL, thats America

The American Underground · 4 years ago

goes into the trash, unopened), but I have something special in mind for this one. Wells Fargo is one of those companies, along with Kraft and some others, that seem have decided illegal immigrants are more business worthy than regular citizens. (See Wells Fargo sponsoring IDs for illegal immigrants

Porkopolis · 4 years ago

Drudge has a link today (08/08/2005) to this CNN story:
Banking on illegal immigrants.

Germaine · 4 years ago

I don't understand why the illegal immigrants who put all their energy, money, blood, sweat, and tears into leaving Mexico come here and then raise their Mexican Flag as if they are so proud of the country they fought so hard to leave. They make an ass of the American people and most of all our government who pretends not to know how to solve the problem. The illegal aliens have made crime go up in my N. Dallas neighborhood. We have day laborers, so we now have prostitution, with that add the drug problem. Why don't these people go back and fight for their rights in their own country. They have proven that they are strong enough. I would also just like to know one more thing. If they have such a problem trying to survive on the little funds they earn then why wouldn't logic set in and make them realize that a dozen condoms are so much less expensive than the 12 bambinos they want to produce at the Americans expense. Welfare, medical, food stamps, who is paying for it all. Not the Mexican flag raiser.

Germaine · 4 years ago

Wetback,

You missed the point didn't you....

Who invited the 3rd world illegal aliens into this country? I merely suggested that they use all their energy to fight instead of run from their own governmental problems.

Alas, how can they, when they spend so much of their time making babies, getting drunk, and selling drugs. Hell, why not come to America it's easier to do that here than in their country.

Porkopolis: Rants on Pork Barr · 3 years ago

[...] Drudge on Banking services for illegal immigrants Drudge is higlighting this Banking on illegal immigrants story but a few blogs have been covering this issue for sometme including Porkopolis, BizzyBlog and SayAnything:"It's institutionalizing illegality," said Marti Dinerstein, president of Immigration Matters, a New York-based think tank. "Now there's no distinction being made between the people that follow all the rules and those who break our laws by entering the country or overstaying their visas." ......Bill Schumer, vice president of product development at Fifth Third Mortgage Co., a unit of Fifth Third Bancorp. (Research), said the company entered the marketplace due to the belief that providing these low-to-moderate income loans will help revitalize communities in the United States, as borrowers buy more run-down properties and rebuild.Fifth Third Bancorp is based in Cincinnati.Pre-emptive question: To commentators like Ralph (see comments at SayAnything) that claim that highlighting this outrage is all about a "paranoid radical anti-immigration movement":What about the words illegal immigration don't you understand? [...]

Angela · 3 years ago

 

  What does it take to get it throught the thick skulls of those who call anti-Illegal immigrants proponents "racist" that we are talking about ILLEGALs. Those who believe illegals should be treated the same as legal immigrants must believe that anyone committing an illegal act should not be punoshed or brought to justice. The argument that illegals are trying to feed their families could be applied to petty theft, robbery or a host of other illegal acts. These acts are illegal because they harm person(s) or society as a whole Illegal immigrants drive wages down and use valuable resources that are needed for leagl immigrant..

Thresher · 3 years ago

What can you do to stop illegal immigration?

If you bank with Wells Fargo, you should take your business elsewhere because they have done more than any bank to help illegal immigrants get banking services, including loans for houses!

http://www.EmbargoWellsFargo.com

and Citibank too