DISQUS

Robert Perry · 2 years ago

Yup, a spiked M1 firing blanks is a real danger. One would figure the highly qualified guys in the Secret Service would be able to figure that out, and maybe even post one of their men with a real weapon in case the inspection turned bad.

Nah. No sense from gummint folks, I guess.

Tanzfleck · 2 years ago

The democrats aer getting us ready for post 2008, when we will no longer be a nation and the 4th of July will be another day on the calendar. I do not know how much longer we will have an indepence day, given the politicial climate and the cut & run.

Puzzlefeet · 2 years ago

Would the secret service do the same thing for Pres Bush, I think so. And would the VFW comply, I think so. Oh it is the political funny season. It was a secret service request/demand.

Bat One · 2 years ago

Puzzle,

You may be Right... as far as you've gone with this. But you haven't yet managed to rationalize the "White House to whorehouse" part yet, have you?

Besides, Mr. Bush would have been welcomed with open arms by just about any VFW chapter in the country, something that simply couldn't be said of Bill Clinton, whose contempt for the military he commanded is well known by all who've served.

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]Would the secret service do the same thing for Pres Bush, I think so. [/quote] Would Pres Bush try to turn a small town Iowa parade into a political [i]photo op[/i] for his next campaign [i]against the wishes[/i] of the VFW? I think [b]not[/b]!

Puzzlefeet · 2 years ago

Was it the VFW's parade, Poofy? What 4th of July parade isn't full of political candidates and officials. Name me one, Poofy. Oh and Poofy, Bush has used the VFW and soldiers for photo ops numerous times.

thanks for agreeing with me B1 that the VFW would have complied with the Secret Service request on the guns if it were Bush so it was political. And yes, Clinton was wrong for misusing the White House.

likwidshoe · 2 years ago

thanks for agreeing with me B1 that the VFW would have complied with the Secret Service request on the guns if it were Bush so it was political.

The military's dislike of Bill Clinton goes far beyond "political". After all, Clinton has shown a great disdain towards our military men and women and took many steps towards decimating the U.S. military.

Robert Perry · 2 years ago

Puzzlefeet, I think you're right that the SS would do this for Bush, too, but it still doesn't change the fact that a group of guys firing blanks does not pose a hazard to the President. The Secret Service needs to get some perspective and respect for our country here and decide to chaperone these guys, not trash their traditions.

Anyone wants to hurt the President can choose a far better tactical position than marching in a parade, IMO. This is absurd.

Bat One · 2 years ago

[quote]...thanks for agreeing with me B1 that the VFW would have complied with the Secret Service request on the guns if it were Bush so it was political.[/quote]

And thank you, Puzzle, for studiously ignoring the rest of my comment. The fact that the nation's veterans overwhelmingly regard Mr. Clinton as a disreputable slug, while embracing his successor, speaks volumes to those who choose not to cover their ears.

likwidshoe · 2 years ago

Robert Perry - Puzzlefeet, I think you're right that the SS would do this for Bush, too, but it still doesn't change the fact that a group of guys firing blanks does not pose a hazard to the President. The Secret Service needs to get some perspective and respect for our country here and decide to chaperone these guys, not trash their traditions.

The sound of blanks makes a great sound diversion to the sound of real bullets being fired.

The Secret Service detail would be remiss in their duties if they allowed such a thing.

WOOF · 2 years ago

The VFW/AmerLegion in the 70's disliked Vietnam veterans.
As time went by they realized that Vietnam vets were the only game in town as the WW2 and Korean vets were largely deceased.
Vietnam veterans were demonized a great deal.

Sorry your 2nd amendment rights end near a President.

They probably disarmed most of the troops near Bush when he slipped into Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner.

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]Was it the VFW's parade,[/quote] Irrelevant (like so many of your posts!)
You, Stinkyfeet, offered an [i]opinion[/i]:
[quote]Would the secret service do the same thing for Pres Bush, I think so. And would the VFW comply, [b]I think so[/b].[/quote]
I countered with [i]my[/i] opinion:
[quote] Would Pres Bush try to turn a small town Iowa parade into a political photo op for his next campaign against the wishes of the VFW? [b]I think not[/b][/quote]
The operative word being: "[b]think[/b]".
What part of [b]"think"[/b] don't you understand? (I know...[b]ALL of it[/b]!)
[quote]What 4th of July parade isn't full of political candidates and officials[/quote] Irrelevant! A better question is What 4th of July parade isn't full of political candidates and officials[i] who require Secret Service Protection?[/i] (Answer: [i]Much[/i] smaller number!)
It is[i] still[/i] my opinion that if the VFW asked Bush not to participate in a parade that would disrupt their tradition, I [i]believe[/i] he would comply. I also believe that if the VFW was not confronted with a former Commander-in-chief that [i]loathed[/i] the military, they might have been more willing to compromise.

Any time you're willing to meet us in the real world where we can tell the difference between opinion and fact, join in the discussion!

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]They probably disarmed most of the troops near Bush when he slipped into Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner.[/quote]Wouldn't have anything [i]remotely[/i] factual to back that up would you? Didn't think so!

likwidshoe · 2 years ago

WOOF - They probably disarmed most of the troops near Bush when he slipped into Iraq for Thanksgiving dinner.

Doubt it. A lot of the troops didn't even know about Bush's visit until it happened. Some of them had an inkling that someone important was about to visit.

The military has done a lot of stupid politically correct liberal disarming recently (soldiers walking around with empty guns), but no reports of them doing such a thing on a battlefield in a war.

Anna · 2 years ago

[quote]had an inkling that someone important was about to visit.[/quote]
Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about the Clintons .... did someone else show up that I didn't read about?
:)

Puzzlefeet · 2 years ago

And you Poofy, think the 4th of July parade belongs to only one group, the VFW.

I dare say that the VFW would never ask any President of the US not to march in a parade just so they could keep their traditions Poofy. Just so laughable. Again, tho it is your belief as wrong as it is. But Poofy, you keep wearing those poofy rose colored glasses.

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]And you... think the 4th of July parade belongs to only one group, the VFW.[/quote]And you, Puzzlefart, are delusional! I said no such thing. No [i]rational[/i] human being could deduce that from what I said. But then, that is what defines you as uniquely Puzzled and uniquely clueless!

Bat One · 2 years ago

[quote]I dare say that the VFW would never ask any President of the US not to march in a parade ...[/quote]

I daresay, Puzzle, you really don't know squat about Vietnam vets, do you?

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote] I [i]think [/i]so -Puzzlefffffffft[/quote]
[quote]Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?[/quote]
Couldn't have said it better myself!

Chief RZ · 2 years ago

Clinton made no bones about his dislike for our military. He had them 'toting' food in Somalia, then left our GIs out to dry with no ammo and ROEs that did not include defending themselves.

WOOF · 2 years ago

[quote][b]but no reports of them doing such a thing on a battlefield in a war.[/b][/quote]

Was a mess hall.
SSvc is real touchy about guns around
Presidents.
Kennedy
Ford (they missed a couple of times)
Reagan

Chief RZ · 2 years ago

Do presidents attend funerals? 17/19/21 gun salutes?

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]Do presidents attend funerals? 17/19/21 gun salutes?[/quote] I suspect that President Bush was [i]safer[/i] in Iraq surrounded by men with loaded weapons than Bill Clinton is alone, in a room full of crockery, with Hillary!

Proof · 2 years ago

[quote]Clinton made no bones about his dislike for our military. He had them ‘toting' food in Somalia[/quote]And serving [i]hors d'oeuvres[/i] at White House functions like house servants.

Chief RZ · 2 years ago

Proof. Thanks for the added bits of sarcasm. Let's not forget the push to [b]discourage[/b] aggressiveness in the military by his political operatives. More later, but this is enough truth for now!

docdave · 2 years ago

Kudos to the VFW!! Personally I wouldn't like to be in the same parade as the Clintons or any other place as well.

Robert Perry · 2 years ago

No, Puzzlefeet, they wouldn't have been remiss in allowing someone to fire blanks in a parade. Have you ever heard of "shotspotter"? Do you think that the Secret Service would fail to have this?

Sorry, but this is asinine. Yes, current and former presidents sadly need this kind of protection. However, the protection of Presidents should not run roughshod over the lives of everyone else.