I saw it. I thought the exact same thing until I watched it - all O'Reilly ended up doing was shouting Duke down and, more-or-less, asking why anyone would listen to him (a racist) and Churchill(well, whatever the hell he is).
After thinking about it for a bit, I came to the conclusion that O'Reilly likely invited Duke on to defend Churchill so he could make Churchill look even more uncredible.
I mean, what better way to ostracize Ward Churchill in the eyes of your audience than by having him be defended by a high-profile racist.
slarrow
· 4 years ago
Ye gods, what part of "marginalize racists" is so @!%@# hard to understand?
Brandon
· 4 years ago
I guess it takes one ignorant hate-mongerer to know another ignornant hate-mongerer.
Robert
· 4 years ago
Or to defend one...
Rob
· 4 years ago
I don't watch O'Reilly, but I can see his appeal to some. He certainly puts on a entertaining show, though he is pretty arrogant most of the time and seldom allows any meaningful discussion on his show.
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
Rob,
I suppose so. I remember that when I used to watch Crossfire back in the 1980s that it would frustrate me to no end. It was all heat without very much light. So I can't imagine how O'Reilly's show would annoy me.*
*I've never actually watched it. I have read transcripts of the show from time to time and I can say without a doubt that O'Reilly generally bully's his guests and has a difficult time forming logical arguments.
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
I have to ask, why do people watch these demagogues in the first place (and here I am referring to Duke, O'Reilly and Churchill)?
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
Gary Gunnels said, "I have to ask, why do people watch these demagogues in the first place..."
Demagogue: an orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience
That answer your question?
Mark
· 4 years ago
O'Reilly has changed. He used to be better, but honestly I think his ego has gotten the better of him. He simply will NOT back down once he has stated an opinion. He'll hold on to that opinion ad absurdum. And when he's called on it, he bullies. I've pretty much lost all my respect for him.
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
Anyway, frankly I find that reading about a subject is a far better use of my time than watching a couple of talking heads go at it over the issue.
Robert
· 4 years ago
It would appear arrogant bully is preferred over liberals and a man named Jeff Gannon:
FNC O'REILLY 2,181,000 [VIEWERS] FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,622,000 FNC SHEP SMITH 1,386,000 FNC BRIT HUME 1,318,000 FNC GRETA 1,307,000 CNN LARRY KING 1,004,000 CNN ZAHN 673,000 CNN AARON BROWN 551,000 CNN COOPER 524,000 MSNBC HARDBALL 388,000 CNN DOBBS 379,000 CNNHN NANCY GRACE 366,000 MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 240,000 MNSBC OLBERMANN/GANNON 208,000
Rob
· 4 years ago
Anyway, frankly I find that reading about a subject is a far better use of my time than watching a couple of talking heads go at it over the issue.
I have reached that same conclusion. In fact, I don't watch much TV period. We watch movies and such, and I watch baseball/football on the tube and the occasional show, but I seldom watch television news programs.
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
Gary Gunnels said, "Anyway, frankly I find that reading about a subject is a far better use of my time than watching a couple of talking heads go at it over the issue."
Then what are you doing here?
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
likwidshoe,
Because this isn't an instance where a couple of talking heads are going at it over an issue obviously. :)
blistered fingers
· 4 years ago
The people I know that seem to worship O'Reilly behave as if they belong to a of club. The hurray-for-our-team mentality must be both exciting and reassuring to them. It's this irrational identification I find the most disturbing. And look. There are 2.2 million of them....that's a pretty big team.
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
It’s this irrational identification I find the most disturbing. And look. There are 2.2 million of them….that’s a pretty big team.
So you believe that all of O'Reilly's viewers "worship" him? Wow...pretty irrational conclusion!
Toto
· 4 years ago
Bill O'Reilly is a phony. His ratings will certainly start tapering off as people get wise to him. Example of his baloney (from his show):
O'REILLY: "You know, The Wall Street Journal has an article today about the attacks against FOX News, and they said well, Bill O'Reilly's nightly program only gets two million viewers. That's a lie. That's just not true. We get about five million viewers inside the United States, every night."
How could anybody trust whatever the guy says?
He'll also ask his guests do-you-still-beat-your-grandmother questions like "Why do the French hate us?" hoping his viewers will regard his question as establishing the fact that the French people don't like us and are thus deserving of "our" (his/GOP) hate.
Has anybody checked the prime time shows competing with The Factor, which might explain why his ratings are so high?
Rob
· 4 years ago
His ratings will certainly start tapering off as people get wise to him. Example of his baloney
I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but his ratings certainly seem to have stood the test of time thus far.
Rob
· 4 years ago
You're partially right, Jadegold, but I wouldn't say that the "WWF mentality" only exists on Fox.
Jadegold
· 4 years ago
I dunno, Rob. Fox certainly pioneered it and is the undisputed master of the genre. To the extent other cable outlets do it appears to be an attempt to copy Fox's success.
Jadegold
· 4 years ago
Folks like O'Reilly will always do well on cable networks; the rightwing doesn't want news or reasoned discourse about policy and issues--they want spectacle. They want pro wresting.
And O'Reilly gives them that. O'Reilly gets some lefty guest on and them proceeds to shout him/her down, cut off his/her microphone, and then proclaim he has destroyed all the guest's arguments.
It's the WWF.
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
Lester,
As I recall, a poll did about a month ago found that 56% of the population of France had a positive view of Americans. That was just 2% below Australia.
People continually confuse dislike of the Bush administration with dislike of the U.S. Heck, I dislike the Bush administration, but I don't confuse his administration with the U.S.; most people in the rest of the world are smart enough to make the same distinction.
Gary Gunnels
· 4 years ago
Jadegold,
Fox didn't pioneer it. Writers have been complaining about this sort of activity since the time of the ancient Greeks.
Toto
· 4 years ago
Gary,
Yes. And I'm sure that percentage was even higher prior to our general disagreement regarding the invasion of Iraq. My wife and I were in France on 9/11 (my wife was having a broken-leg cast removed in a French hospital before our return to the U.S.) . Never had I witnessed such widespread expressions of sympathy for and solidarity with the U.S. and our people. Wherever you went, you saw American flags being draped from balconies, flown on cars, displayed on storefronts and on T-shirts. When they heard there were Americans awaiting treatment in their hospital, doctors and patients came over to greet us, some with tears in their eyes. They even escorted my wife to the head of the line so she could be treated ahead of the others. The French people indeed have an unshakeable liking for the American people, even in the face of the anti-French rhetoric they see coming from some circles and the media in our country.
Jadegold
· 4 years ago
I cringe when I see Americans attacking Europeans; they may as well tattoo "I am an ignorant yahoo" on their foreheads.
Perhaps the biggest blunder of AWOL George's many big blunders was in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Certainly all of Europe and Asia and not a few Muslim nations were on our side and prepared to fight terrorism together. Instead, AWOL George squandered this great opportunity in favor of what one author notes was "to pursue policies which divided the West, further alienated the Muslim world, and exposed America itself to greatly increased danger."
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After thinking about it for a bit, I came to the conclusion that O'Reilly likely invited Duke on to defend Churchill so he could make Churchill look even more uncredible.
I mean, what better way to ostracize Ward Churchill in the eyes of your audience than by having him be defended by a high-profile racist.
I suppose so. I remember that when I used to watch Crossfire back in the 1980s that it would frustrate me to no end. It was all heat without very much light. So I can't imagine how O'Reilly's show would annoy me.*
*I've never actually watched it. I have read transcripts of the show from time to time and I can say without a doubt that O'Reilly generally bully's his guests and has a difficult time forming logical arguments.
Demagogue: an orator who appeals to the passions and prejudices of his audience
That answer your question?
FNC O'REILLY 2,181,000 [VIEWERS]
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,622,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,386,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,318,000
FNC GRETA 1,307,000
CNN LARRY KING 1,004,000
CNN ZAHN 673,000
CNN AARON BROWN 551,000
CNN COOPER 524,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 388,000
CNN DOBBS 379,000
CNNHN NANCY GRACE 366,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 240,000
MNSBC OLBERMANN/GANNON 208,000
I have reached that same conclusion. In fact, I don't watch much TV period. We watch movies and such, and I watch baseball/football on the tube and the occasional show, but I seldom watch television news programs.
Then what are you doing here?
Because this isn't an instance where a couple of talking heads are going at it over an issue obviously. :)
So you believe that all of O'Reilly's viewers "worship" him? Wow...pretty irrational conclusion!
O'REILLY: "You know, The Wall Street Journal has an article today about the attacks against FOX News, and they said well, Bill O'Reilly's nightly program only gets two million viewers. That's a lie. That's just not true. We get about five million viewers inside the United States, every night."
How could anybody trust whatever the guy says?
He'll also ask his guests do-you-still-beat-your-grandmother questions like "Why do the French hate us?" hoping his viewers will regard his question as establishing the fact that the French people don't like us and are thus deserving of "our" (his/GOP) hate.
Has anybody checked the prime time shows competing with The Factor, which might explain why his ratings are so high?
I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but his ratings certainly seem to have stood the test of time thus far.
And O'Reilly gives them that. O'Reilly gets some lefty guest on and them proceeds to shout him/her down, cut off his/her microphone, and then proclaim he has destroyed all the guest's arguments.
It's the WWF.
As I recall, a poll did about a month ago found that 56% of the population of France had a positive view of Americans. That was just 2% below Australia.
People continually confuse dislike of the Bush administration with dislike of the U.S. Heck, I dislike the Bush administration, but I don't confuse his administration with the U.S.; most people in the rest of the world are smart enough to make the same distinction.
Fox didn't pioneer it. Writers have been complaining about this sort of activity since the time of the ancient Greeks.
Yes. And I'm sure that percentage was even higher prior to our general disagreement regarding the invasion of Iraq.
My wife and I were in France on 9/11 (my wife was having a broken-leg cast removed in a French hospital before our return to the U.S.) . Never had I witnessed such widespread expressions of sympathy for and solidarity with the U.S. and our people. Wherever you went, you saw American flags being draped from balconies, flown on cars, displayed on storefronts and on T-shirts. When they heard there were Americans awaiting treatment in their hospital, doctors and patients came over to greet us, some with tears in their eyes. They even escorted my wife to the head of the line so she could be treated ahead of the others. The French people indeed have an unshakeable liking for the American people, even in the face of the anti-French rhetoric they see coming from some circles and the media in our country.
Perhaps the biggest blunder of AWOL George's many big blunders was in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Certainly all of Europe and Asia and not a few Muslim nations were on our side and prepared to fight terrorism together. Instead, AWOL George squandered this great opportunity in favor of what one author notes was "to pursue policies which divided the West, further alienated the Muslim world, and exposed America itself to greatly increased danger."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17750