Oliver Stone's a hack. I don't think he can go near a movie without politicizing it in some way or another, e.g., civilian slaughter in "Platoon", lampooning with Castro in a documentary, making Nixon out to be Hitler incarnate, and the latest, labeling Alexander a homosexual. My guess is that he'll find some way to portray the 9/11 victims as complicit in their own demise.
Judging by his previous movies, it will have some sort of conspiracy attached. I for one do not believe conspiracy theories belong in a national tragedy so fresh in everyone's minds.
TC-LeatherPenguin
· 4 years ago
Lemme get this straight: two NYC cops, trappred in that, were thinking about the French?
moderninstances
· 4 years ago
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the "compassion" would be directed toward the terrorists. In the quotation from Stone, he is referring to the script by Andrea Berloff, not the movie. Full text of PR here: http://www.prnewswire.com/
the Whistler
· 4 years ago
I believe they're judging Oliver Stoned by his past work not his press release.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
I woulnd't want to judge it before any information came out abou the actual movie, but it he's treading in some sensitive waters for sure...
Commonwealth Conservative &raq
· 4 years ago
[...] Oliver Stone to direct a film about 9/11: “I'm not one to judge a book by its cover, but I can almost smell the history revision and moral relativism from here.” [...]
In the Bullpen » Round t
· 4 years ago
[...] Music is like Hollywood becuase it is entertainment. Oliver Stone entertains the masses through great films like JFK and Alexander. Now Stone is embarking on a more ambitious plan to retell the story of Port Authority police Sgt. John McLoughlin and McLoughlin’s actions on 9/11. Let’s hope Stone leaves out the conspiracies and just tells the story, but I’m not holding my breath. [...]
Scott
· 4 years ago
Oliver Stone is more than inapt to direct this movie. I think your issue with him is that he isnt a neo-con like yourself. let them make the movie and bitch about something that matters in the world and not who is the director of a movie. Scott in miami out
Mc
· 4 years ago
Quote: Jon Seital
"civilian slaughter in "Platoon", lampooning with Castro in a documentary, making Nixon out to be Hitler incarnate, and the latest, labeling Alexander a homosexual"
I hate to burst your bubble but Alexander the great was gay. Does that change who he was? Does it matter in anyway whatsoever? NO!
Mc
· 4 years ago
Oliver Stones previous films such as Nixon, JFK and Platoon recieved alot of flak from people when they came out, but the fact remains Oliver Stone does not lie in his films. American troops did rape and murder innocent Women and children in Vietnam (and are still in Iraq!) and JFK was not killed by a lone gunman. Watch his films and do some research on the points he brings up, its all true!
As for 9/11, if Stone is going to do a film on it, I hope it WILL be contravercial. If the world has been lied to, which many people suspect it has been, then we need to know. And I believe that Oliver Stone is the man to do it.
Rob
· 4 years ago
I'm just wondering, MC, have you ever checked out some of the "facts" stone brings up in his movies? Because if you bought a majority of the nonsense that was JFK then I've got a bridge to sell you.
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
Scott assumes, Oliver Stone is more than inapt to direct this movie. I think your issue with him is that he isnt a neo-con like yourself.
No. The issue with him is that he likes to invent facts out of whole cloth. You could have just asked if you wanted to know.
Mc said, Oliver Stones previous films such as Nixon, JFK and Platoon recieved alot of flak from people when they came out, but the fact remains Oliver Stone does not lie in his films.
Yes he does. He weaves conspiracy theories that have no evidence and holds them up as fact.
American troops did rape and murder innocent Women and children in Vietnam (and are still in Iraq!)...
Evidence? You asshole.
...and JFK was not killed by a lone gunman.
Evidence?
As for 9/11, if Stone is going to do a film on it, I hope it WILL be contravercial. If the world has been lied to, which many people suspect it has been, then we need to know. And I believe that Oliver Stone is the man to do it.
His movie will be bought by a bunch of gullible idiots like yourself. Now that's the truth!
I hate to burst your bubble but Alexander the great was gay.
And you would know this how? Hahaha...
lao tzu
· 4 years ago
hey backwards blue hat kid. the point is look at your picture your just a kid. now shut your mouth about everything you said little punk. all your "rebuddle" is b.s. yes it is no it is isnt yes it is no it isnt. do you think that your facist mommy and daddy and consolidated media and scared ass hell that the market is going to disinigrate capitalists are going to tell you what's really going on? you ever heard of the mai lai massacre, it documented dope. senate hearings and all that? all you neo con's do is try to attack and destroy the character or credibility of those who bring you the truth. the truth is out there punk, but a black and white EXTREMELY pin point narrow vision little kid like you? you may never even have the mental capacity to figure it out. i may never figure it out. you most likely will die just as simple, backwards, silly, stupid and conditioned as you are now. these are not insults. they are simple truths. the more you try to cling to an ideal, the more warped and narrow your vision will become. wanna talk, come to cali and we'll buck buck your backwards little hat off your domicile. peace! support the people's army not the troops. (aka yeah yeah yeah i'm the anti christ communist rolled into one.....sure dude, blather on you hicks!!!!!!!!!!!let's roll (oh yeah, alexander was gay according to all kinds of writting from the periods, as where many ruling lords and upperclassmen of the era and local. this is documented in histories. don't go to barnes and noble, try a city library....you need some racial culturing anyway dixie! yee haw!)
Mc
· 4 years ago
It's sad that you have to resort to childish language and call me an asswhole.
There is plenty of proof that US troops raped woman and children in Vietnam and still do in Iraq. Proof? http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/vietnam/vietnam_mylai.cfm has some information on the My Lai massacre where a village full of woman and children where butchered, many where raped before they where killed.
Proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK? Oliver Stones film proves that. Why dont you prove to me why his film isnt proof?
Proof that Alexander the great was Gay? In ancient Greece Homosexuality was not viewed in the same way that it is today. It was considered normal for two men to have a sexual relationship. I suppose the term Bisexual would be more applicable then. But why does it matter if Alexander took part in gay sex?
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
lao tzu chimed in with, hey backwards blue hat kid. the point is look at your picture your just a kid.
That was the point? Oh wow. Okay. I guess that because I am "a kid", I can't have a view on anything. Right? Only the elders, or my betters as you'd undoubtedly view them, are allowed to talk. Great logic there! Who are you again?
now shut your mouth about everything you said little punk. all your "rebuddle" is b.s. yes it is no it is isnt yes it is no it isnt. do you think that your facist mommy and daddy and consolidated media and scared ass hell that the market is going to disinigrate capitalists are going to tell you what's really going on?
Hahaha. Dude, are you on some serious drugs? How about just addressing what I said instead of this shit talk? Think you could handle that? It requires a bit of maturity, so I'm not holding my breath, but the challenge is put forth.
all you neo con's do is try to attack and destroy the character or credibility of those who bring you the truth.
What are you doing right now? Talking shit on me, my parents, my age... Basically everything except provide a real argument. So what would we call you? Oh yes,...a hypocrite.
the truth is out there punk, but a black and white EXTREMELY pin point narrow vision little kid like you?
You don't even know me. How about getting a real argument? Why do you think I'm a "little kid" and why would it matter even if I was?
you most likely will die just as simple, backwards, silly, stupid and conditioned as you are now. these are not insults. they are simple truths.
Oh. Since you said so. Heh. Once again I have to point out that you don't even know me. Now carry on with your mindless rant.
the more you try to cling to an ideal, the more warped and narrow your vision will become.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense in all cases.
wanna talk, come to cali and we'll buck buck your backwards little hat off your domicile. peace!
"Peace"? You are the antithesis of "peace". Anyways...you're obviously just an Internet tough guy. If I was to travel to California, you're the last person I'd want to visit. Why would I waste my time?
support the people's army not the troops.
What?
(aka yeah yeah yeah i'm the anti christ communist rolled into one.....sure dude, blather on you hicks!!!!!!!!!!!let's roll
You're confused and rambling.
...you need some racial culturing anyway dixie! yee haw!
What does "racial culturing" mean? Does it mean being a hypocritical racist like you? No thanks.
Mc cries, It's sad that you have to resort to childish language and call me an asswhole.
Well,..then don't be an asshole.
There is plenty of proof that US troops raped woman and children in Vietnam and still do in Iraq. Proof?
Yeah. You got proof of the Iraq charge? No? You don't? Asshole!
Proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK? Oliver Stones film proves that.
No he doesn't. He gives you a conspiracy theory.
Why dont you prove to me why his film isnt proof?
No. Your job is to prove how is film is proof (or has it). It's your claim.
Proof that Alexander the great was Gay? In ancient Greece Homosexuality was not viewed in the same way that it is today. It was considered normal for two men to have a sexual relationship. I suppose the term Bisexual would be more applicable then.
So where is your proof?
But why does it matter if Alexander took part in gay sex?
It doesn't. It is the rewriting of history that bothers me.
Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one. The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.
Also Abraham Zapruder filmed the only footage of the entire assasination. In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy's head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.
And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
Proof that troops commit sexual assualt in Iraq [and then an Abu Graib reference]
I don't see any women and children there (your original charge). That's not to excuse these acts. After all, we put those soldiers in prison and don't condone that behavior. So in the end you didn't back up your charge. Asshole.
Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one.
That was one of the conspiracy theories that Stone pushed out as fact.
The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.
Actually it can very easily when handled by a competent shooter, which Oswald most certainly was. Again, this was one of the made up facts in the movie. (Amazing that you bought it so easily I might add.)
In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy's head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.
Oswald was behind Kennedy and to the right. He shot Kennedy, pushing him to the left. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. He shot off the right side of Kennedy's head. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. The distance doesn't matter in this, only the directions and angles.
And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
Probably. I'd say, "no shit", but nobody knows. In any regard, I won't dispute it.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
these are not insults. they are simple truths.
Stupid sounding asian name~
You suck, you are a retard. You can't spell correctly or even use proper grammar. You have no idea what apostrophes are or how to use them. Your logic and flawed and your knowledge is little. Your mother was a hampser! You are brainwashed and small. You are obviously less than 5 feet tall. Your manhood is tiny and your brain the size of a pea. You're obviously also a yankee and own slaves.
These are not insults. They are simple truths.
lao tzu
· 4 years ago
well you pretty much avoided all my points and insulted me and then used my own words back at me. (just like i said) fuck spelling anbd apostro-fees more-on and are way way too scared to print my initial email you losers. what you don't understand is grammar is so important. the fact is we are going to murder people like you...i mean dead as dirt, when the revolution comes. comprende.....you stupid wasp, wanna parle? boom boom. you'll see one day sucka NGO! and your little pee brain small minded freinds and family....i spelled sum werds wrong for you to proof read you little faggot TA!
Rob
· 4 years ago
chaun/lao tzu:
I see that you are using AOL. Please note that I have contacted AOL's abuse department about your threats of violence here. I expect that you will be hearing from them in short order.
Disagreeing with myself or the other commenters on this site is one thing, but I draw the line at threats of violence.
chaun tzu
· 4 years ago
man you're dense. it really goes beyond words.....its the underlying point behind the words that you cannot change no matter how you rerange the words and rebutt them. you are a little kid and i will judge you as one...your education conisists of what the "schools" taught you and either conciuosly or sub conciously what your parents taught you, so i will judge them too. i dont need to know them. i know what your narrow minded points are, you write them on every otehr post stupid....so i will judge you....me i'm in no hurry to cleary depict any black and white point to you, hence the philosphies. those who know don't say......words like fuck, and god, hypocrite and whatever i use are just words. the point is that whatever you right back, you can't change the idea that i think your a fuck....it is so fine if you call me a hypocrite.....i neither care about your ability to write those words or about your ability to use words to formulate your primitive arguments....which by the way are really primitive.....i only stoop to your level because like....thats as high as you go. so sorry. anyway the real point is you guys and blather on and on and on but your country is falling into economic ruin one way or another and the reall smart people are not only waiting and laughing, we are preparing a future in which you and your familiy will be nice and dead if you don't cooperate with the planetary will to survive in peace.....what to i care about peace if i'm a hypocrite....how about this one, you called me a hypocrite becasue of words.....well okay player,if we kill all the war mongers, then i die of old age exercising restraint up until that point, then we're better off. internet toughy? sure your the one with 25 posts. i was only here checking out olie stones new film which will be great. i jsut thought i might play with you a little. why would i want to visit you in cali? yeah you understant.....thats all you respond with when i told you i'm going to shoot you in the head. you seem to really be getting caught up the semantics and "anti-thesis" - proof read that for me player, and missing the point. you neo cons hate us.....we simply are planning your deaths.....so get to work son, our war has been a long long long time in the making. your just a kid. jsut a kid. don'tr judge me....i can hear you winding. lets roll. Chen-Dawg knocked d-znown the t-znowers. by the way great rebuddle. you either atacked me or flexed your ignorance by actualy coming out and saying directly that you don't understand the points....i could anal rape you all day player. have a great life
Marcus Long
· 4 years ago
I am very interested in this. Oliver Stone has never said his film's are factual. You negative people need to wake up and open your mind more.
Carrick
· 4 years ago
Marcus Long:
I am very interested in this. Oliver Stone has never said his film's are factual. You negative people need to wake up and open your mind more.
Einstein said something about having an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.
As you admit... Stone admits that his documentaries are nonfactual. Since he doesn't tell you which part is real and which part is his own made up shit, what's the purpose in watching his movies? Your admission does nothing to strength an argument that Oliver Stone should have anything to do with as delicate a material as 9/11.
I can see why he'd like it though... plenty of conspiracy theories for his paranoid drug-fried mind to work with.
TC-LeatherPenguin
· 4 years ago
Marcus: are you really ready to defend Ollie the Rockhead?
Question: Who--and I mean specifically--bought the first bullet in JFK's head? Was it a Commie plot? Or was it someone on LBJ's payroll? Castro? Queers in Big Easy? Maybe Hoover getting large in his girdle?
Stone's entire "auterish" being is "I'm telling you the truth" and that crap has been obliterated, and he's been hammereed by historians harder than his crack hookups (oops! I'm sorry, "screenplays") could ever hope.
Until you got a good spin on anything--and I mean ANYTHING--this monkey has ever afforded the public argument that has not played out to be a fever dream, STFU.
... if you wanna keep barking up that tree, ...well, I got a waterfall made of chocolate I would like you to open your mouth and drown beneath. It's located directly beneath the Brooklyn Bridge.
moderninstances
· 4 years ago
I'm not sure that he's described his movies as "documentaries." His ENTIRE thing has been "I'll tell you the truth."
That's different from calling a film a documentary.
moderninstances
· 4 years ago
Stone admits that his documentaries are nonfactual. Since he doesn't tell you which part is real and which part is his own made up shit, what's the purpose in watching his movies?
I'm not sure that he's described his movies as "documentaries." But within the fictional setting of the movie, a filmmaker may use actual events around which he builds a story, and the result can be an authentic work or art or entertainment. Shakespeare used actual people and events in his plays, and doesn't tell you which are real, but that doesn't mean his work is less worthwhile.
TC-LeatherPenguin
· 4 years ago
I'm not sure that he's described his movies as "documentaries." His ENTIRE thing has been "I'll tell you the truth."
And he's been making shit up since Day One.
moderninstances
· 4 years ago
I thought we were talking about Oliver Stone.
TC-LeatherPenguin
· 4 years ago
You're right...it's worse. I dare you, right now here today, to go ask a smattering of people under a certain age and of a certain political ken where they got their impetus: It was from Moore, and his ilk, twisting facts to meet an agenda that portays the US as the Almighty Bastard of International Politics.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
I got a waterfall made of chocolate I would like you to open your mouth and drown beneath. It's located directly beneath the Brooklyn Bridge.
That is nasty... thanks for the mental image...
chris kaman
· 4 years ago
cheney knocked down the towers....the conspiricy theroy is the media/ goverment cover story. planes don't cause buildings to fall like that.....period.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
planes don't cause buildings to fall like that.....period.
HAHA! You're funny.... I guess you're some kind of super engineer that studied this material?
And FYI, the planes didn't cause the towers to come down... In case you didn't notice, it took like an hour for them to actually fall... What hapened was that all that aviation fuel (the jets were FULL, the were on cross-country flights and had just left) burnt so hot it melted the metal frame which caused the buildings to come down...
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
and whats so funny about me being an engineer?
Because you're not. You're just a poser who spouts wild conspiracy theories on the Internet.
chris kaman
· 4 years ago
the 911 commision itself said that the perimiter frames where actually what supported the building, not the internals. and whats so funny about me being an engineer?
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
the 911 commision itself said that the perimiter frames where actually what supported the building, not the internals.
Look, the perimeter was the load-bearing section of the building sure, but what does that have to do with anything?
Here> is a pretty good explanation from civil engineers in Sydney as to what brought the towers down.
Just curious though, how do you believe Cheney did it? Did he hire Halliburton to melt them with an invisible metal-melting ray to simiulate fire heating the steel?
And as Likwid said, you're obviously not an engineer based on your moronically simple answer about the 9-11 commission, so don't even pretend to be. If you were really a civil engineer (as I was very close to becoming) you would have a much mroe detailed and jargon-ized answer...
Carrick
· 4 years ago
Sphagnum:
Just curious though, how do you believe Cheney did it?
Hm.... using his dark lord powers of course.
It's amazing how many people believe really stupid shit. And the 9/11 conspiracy gunk is really stupid shit.
stan van gunnray
· 4 years ago
i never said i was an engineer. i just asked what so funny. you said i was an engineer wierdo. no stun ray. here's the kicker: don't worry about why i think cheney did it. i'm just telling you, so you've been told, my agenda....complete, simple. or completly insane. lucid, or do i really give a fuck about how long you people want to desperatly treat water. i can walk on it placido do playopolis. they call jesus but i don't walk on water, me llamo jesus i push that chalk across the border (with the help of the CIA of course) oh damm its a tin hat theroy again. ray guns to reagan, they're all illusions to keep you amused. play on. it is what it is. those who know don't say. p.s. find one family member of a supposed victim of hitting the tower. find me the name of someone that was on one of those planes. can u try. if you do u make me happy.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
Names of the victims? did you even try before you wrote that sentence?
Btw, you should lay off whatever it is you're on. too much dope, too much X, too much Vodka... whatever it is...
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
here's the kicker: don't worry about why i think cheney did it. i'm just telling you, so you've been told, my agenda....complete, simple. or completly insane. lucid, or do i really give a fuck about how long you people want to desperatly treat water. i can walk on it placido do playopolis. they call jesus but i don't walk on water, me llamo jesus i push that chalk across the border (with the help of the CIA of course) oh damm its a tin hat theroy again. ray guns to reagan, they're all illusions to keep you amused. play on. it is what it is. those who know don't say.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your brain on liberalism.
Carrick
· 4 years ago
Stan van gunray:
. find me the name of someone that was on one of those planes.
Not only were real people killed, but some very well known people as well. Try doing a search on Barbara Olson, she was a conservative commentator that worked for CNN. Kind of a gripping story... she managed to call her husband, Ted Olson, and let him know her plane had been highjacked shortly before she died.
Then there is the little problem of video of the planes slamming into the high rises...
Your comment about "planes don't cause buildings to fall like that, period" was pretty sad too... considering that it took an hour for the buildings to collapse after being struck. And it was the fire not the collision that caused the buildings to collapse. And the fire didn't melt the supporting beams, the heat just reduced their load bearing capacity to the point where they failed. Engineering 101.
Had the plains not been heavily laden with fuel (for cross-country flights) it is unlikely that the buildings would have collapsed. It was either a coincidence that planes with sufficient fuelant were both flown into the range of floors that ensured a collapse. You can look for conspiracies there if you want (they would probably start in Baghdad).
asdfgh
· 4 years ago
although i feel sorry for the fire fighters and imigrants working there.,.....choose sides now or come have a drink or oar eyore the donkey, you crazy mfs probably all play hockey heron wysoki
Carrick
· 4 years ago
asdfgh: also the buildings collapsed becasue of explosives placed inside.
What utter tripe. This garbage has been debunked a long time ago.
holier than thou
· 4 years ago
haha, man you're frickin wasted, but I see what you're saying. This is indeed a forum of the lost, as are much of the commuter streets...but what can we do but try our best. Brainwashing works because brainwashing works...people have to convince themselves of things. Hyonotism works...market researchers are continuing to test the limmits of subluminal suggestability...closed door meetings are calculating revenue vs. litigation and the product isn't even on the shelves yet...click here for a free ipod...this is a real check, sign it and the cash is yours...are you fat and ugly? this'll help....please buy what you don't need and can't afford....
asdfgh
· 4 years ago
tripe tastes good. its not hard to repeat what you heard on tv, it caters to the lowest common demoninator....i really got to go and... pass out
asdfgh
· 4 years ago
zanax and jack daniels by the way. wasn't barbara from one the planes that didn't hit the tower. also the buildings collapsed becasue of explosives placed inside. trust me playter i've heard all your engineering 101 stuff before. way way more people died in all of our imperialistic wars, which, if i believe the mainstream mumbo jumbo, is why these fucks suposably perpetrated the crime in the first place. revenge against us. you don't seek revenge for no reason. and not to sound bitter, but if i whole bunch of bankers and lawyers and cops went down, isn't that kind of a good thing in a few ways (i mean of course death is tragic yada yada so to will yours and mine be)
asdfgh
· 4 years ago
oh you crazzy conspiracy theroist kids...at it again!!!!!its a great red herring. pee pee in mouth mouth intent of force when i toss the brick from out of no where. we move in shadows and choose our battles like rick addleman. i mean freestyle rap battle of course, no nazi homeland prison for me if you please
holier than thou
· 4 years ago
^^ refering to asdfghjkl...not carrick.
holier than thou
· 4 years ago
a very close friend of mine worked with some...as a subject. s'all I'm gonna say about that.
What about the stationary surveilance videos that captured the pentagon crash? why were they seized? why have we not seen them? Why does popular mechanics not debunk this popular non-theory, that the videos were seized because the gub-munt don't want you to see what's on them....and do you wonder why?
Carrick
· 4 years ago
Incidentally, for people not prone to psychotic episodes, this is the definitive link for debunking most of the moonbat hysteria over 9/11 conspiracies.
Carrick
· 4 years ago
HTT:
market researchers are continuing to test the limmits of subluminal suggestability
I'd suggest you fact check that. All I'm gonna say on that topic.
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
What about the stationary surveilance videos that captured the pentagon crash? why were they seized?
Maybe it's because it's the freakin' Pentagon and you can't just go taking video and pictures of the place, especially when it was just attacked and in it's most vulnerable state!
Sheesh, get a grip...
asdfgh
· 4 years ago
moon bat, sheesh, tripe..... sounds like a bunch of country bumpkin hick to me...ye haww cowgirl
carney lansford
· 4 years ago
hey carry my dick. your 911 debunk link is a bunch of Propoganda. those who know KNOW...thats the point. those who don't are living in a tremendously intricate and subtle lie. its like a movie. but the fact is we know and move on to do something about it. remove your mouth from the tit and grow wise. age and education mean little in these accelerating times. slow down un plug....or im going to stick a three prong adapter in your rectum.....sing it people.....i'm going to stick a three prong adapter--in-your- rectum! hav a nice day. don't worry about anything. everything is everything and everything takes care of itself and anything else. ps whats the scientific name for a sex change? answer: Addadicktome
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
Can you say "certifiably insane"?
Rob
· 4 years ago
Right...don't refute the points or anything carney. Just post a snarky dismissal and carry on with your delusions.
bay nigga
· 4 years ago
its really as simple as i'm not insane you are. jsut reverse the wheel. science still works. god bless cindy sheehan and prepare for the iranian invasion after the US lets the next 911 happen! comming soon to a city near you. they're probably already working on crafty the propaganda now. bye bye for now
bay nigga
· 4 years ago
oh yeah rob i will refute your point. the pentagon siezed the tapes because they don't want anyone seeing the goverment missle craft or whatever it was dummy
Sphagnum
· 4 years ago
It's hard to take someone seriously when they never use the shift key, don't understand punctuation, and calls themself a nigger...
Rob
· 4 years ago
Yes, enlighten us nay nigga. Why do you refer to yourself with such a derogative term?
2Hotel9
· 4 years ago
Sounds like another guilty white liberal, using fake ghetto-lingo to mask their true identity.
The Adventuress: Medved: The H
· 3 years ago
[...] Medved: The Hollywood Slump Michael Medved delivers some potent tough love advice to Hollywood about its multi-year ticket sales slump. I doubt if they will listen though. The "big" movies in the queue include an Oliver Stone take on 9-11 and a Steven Spielberg take on the assassination of the Israeli atheletes at the Munich 1972 Olympics that reportedly focuses on the "regrets" of Israeli agents tracking down the killers, rather than the horrendous crime itself. Notes Medved:Tinseltown's recent setbacks suggest a crisis of majorproportions, with a May USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll showing 48% of adults going to movies less often than in 2000. For 19 consecutive weeks, motion picturereleases earned less (despite higher ticket prices) than the year before. Projected ticket sales for all of 2005 indicate a disastrous drop of at least 8% - at a time of population growth and a generally robust economy. USA TODAYran a headline, "Where have all the moviegoers gone?" under which insiders discussed their desperate attempts to rebuild the shattered audience: "The luresinclude providing high-tech eye candy through 3-D digital projection and IMAX versions of movies. ... Stadium seating, which improves views, is just now becoming standard. Other theaters are opting for screenings that serve alcohol to patrons 21 and older."Revealingly, none of the studio honchos talked about reconnecting with the public by adjusting the valuesconveyed by feature films, and replacing the industry's shrill liberal posturing with a more balanced ideological perspective. Prediction: No one will want to see either Spielberg's or Stone's dhimmi trash, same as no one wanted to see Ridley Scott's PeeCee take on the Crusades, Kingdom of Crap -- er, Kingdom of Heaven. What the hell. "Stars" and "star directors" still get their multi-million dollar paychecks whether a movie flops or not; the public be damned. [...]
joseph perkins
· 3 years ago
I started understanding that the world trade center was a controlled demolition about 6 weeks before the 2004 presidential election fraud //
http://www.st911.org/ SCHOLARSFORTRUTH
THIS SITE HAS A LOT OF EXCELLENT FEATURE VIDEOS ONLINE FREELIKE 911eyewitness where Richard Segal sets up a camera with audio on a dock in N.J.1.8 mi. from the event and get the explosions in the basement before the buildings fall//
In the released fireman interviews of august 2005
MANY HEARD AND SAW BOMBS SEQUENTIALLY EXPLODING
Samizdat
· 3 years ago
The international terrorist cabal, my friend, is in the White House.
Get the free DVD "Confronting the Evidence" from philanthropist Jimmy Walter at reopen911.org .
Nintaibaby
· 3 years ago
Anyone who goes back and watches the footage that day can see with their own eyes the towers were being blown up. For those of you who don't know, hundreds of thousands of cubic feet of concrete turn to dust, crystalized instanly. The towers fell at free fall speeds. No steel building has ever collapsed from fire. Jet fuel does not melt steel. These are facts provable with high school chemistry and physics. Firefighters interviewed that day testified that they heard and saw explosions in the buildings, ie eyewitness testimony. Anyone who understands military protocol knows that protocol was not followed that day. In 2000 there was an exercise at the pentagon involving the scenario of a plane flying into the building, look it up, they actually have pictures of a model plane crashed into a model of the pentagon. Oh by the way, the military and CIA were conducting over a half dozen exercise the morning of 911 involving...you guessed it, hijacked planes flying into buildings. These are facts, check em out. The truth is available if you're just willing to listen.
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In short, he's an asshat.
-Jon Seitel
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"civilian slaughter in "Platoon", lampooning with Castro in a documentary, making Nixon out to be Hitler incarnate, and the latest, labeling Alexander a homosexual"
I hate to burst your bubble but Alexander the great was gay. Does that change who he was? Does it matter in anyway whatsoever? NO!
As for 9/11, if Stone is going to do a film on it, I hope it WILL be contravercial. If the world has been lied to, which many people suspect it has been, then we need to know. And I believe that Oliver Stone is the man to do it.
No. The issue with him is that he likes to invent facts out of whole cloth. You could have just asked if you wanted to know.
Mc said, Oliver Stones previous films such as Nixon, JFK and Platoon recieved alot of flak from people when they came out, but the fact remains Oliver Stone does not lie in his films.
Yes he does. He weaves conspiracy theories that have no evidence and holds them up as fact.
American troops did rape and murder innocent Women and children in Vietnam (and are still in Iraq!)...
Evidence? You asshole.
...and JFK was not killed by a lone gunman.
Evidence?
As for 9/11, if Stone is going to do a film on it, I hope it WILL be contravercial. If the world has been lied to, which many people suspect it has been, then we need to know. And I believe that Oliver Stone is the man to do it.
His movie will be bought by a bunch of gullible idiots like yourself. Now that's the truth!
I hate to burst your bubble but Alexander the great was gay.
And you would know this how? Hahaha...
There is plenty of proof that US troops raped woman and children in Vietnam and still do in Iraq. Proof? http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/learning_history/vietnam/vietnam_mylai.cfm has some information on the My Lai massacre where a village full of woman and children where butchered, many where raped before they where killed.
Proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK? Oliver Stones film proves that. Why dont you prove to me why his film isnt proof?
Proof that Alexander the great was Gay? In ancient Greece Homosexuality was not viewed in the same way that it is today. It was considered normal for two men to have a sexual relationship. I suppose the term Bisexual would be more applicable then. But why does it matter if Alexander took part in gay sex?
That was the point? Oh wow. Okay. I guess that because I am "a kid", I can't have a view on anything. Right? Only the elders, or my betters as you'd undoubtedly view them, are allowed to talk. Great logic there! Who are you again?
now shut your mouth about everything you said little punk. all your "rebuddle" is b.s. yes it is no it is isnt yes it is no it isnt. do you think that your facist mommy and daddy and consolidated media and scared ass hell that the market is going to disinigrate capitalists are going to tell you what's really going on?
Hahaha. Dude, are you on some serious drugs? How about just addressing what I said instead of this shit talk? Think you could handle that? It requires a bit of maturity, so I'm not holding my breath, but the challenge is put forth.
all you neo con's do is try to attack and destroy the character or credibility of those who bring you the truth.
What are you doing right now? Talking shit on me, my parents, my age... Basically everything except provide a real argument. So what would we call you? Oh yes,...a hypocrite.
the truth is out there punk, but a black and white EXTREMELY pin point narrow vision little kid like you?
You don't even know me. How about getting a real argument? Why do you think I'm a "little kid" and why would it matter even if I was?
you most likely will die just as simple, backwards, silly, stupid and conditioned as you are now. these are not insults. they are simple truths.
Oh. Since you said so. Heh. Once again I have to point out that you don't even know me. Now carry on with your mindless rant.
the more you try to cling to an ideal, the more warped and narrow your vision will become.
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense in all cases.
wanna talk, come to cali and we'll buck buck your backwards little hat off your domicile. peace!
"Peace"? You are the antithesis of "peace". Anyways...you're obviously just an Internet tough guy. If I was to travel to California, you're the last person I'd want to visit. Why would I waste my time?
support the people's army not the troops.
What?
(aka yeah yeah yeah i'm the anti christ communist rolled into one.....sure dude, blather on you hicks!!!!!!!!!!!let's roll
You're confused and rambling.
...you need some racial culturing anyway dixie! yee haw!
What does "racial culturing" mean? Does it mean being a hypocritical racist like you? No thanks.
Mc cries, It's sad that you have to resort to childish language and call me an asswhole.
Well,..then don't be an asshole.
There is plenty of proof that US troops raped woman and children in Vietnam and still do in Iraq. Proof?
Yeah. You got proof of the Iraq charge? No? You don't? Asshole!
Proof that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK? Oliver Stones film proves that.
No he doesn't. He gives you a conspiracy theory.
Why dont you prove to me why his film isnt proof?
No. Your job is to prove how is film is proof (or has it). It's your claim.
Proof that Alexander the great was Gay? In ancient Greece Homosexuality was not viewed in the same way that it is today. It was considered normal for two men to have a sexual relationship. I suppose the term Bisexual would be more applicable then.
So where is your proof?
But why does it matter if Alexander took part in gay sex?
It doesn't. It is the rewriting of history that bothers me.
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/images/graner.jpg
http://www.americanstate.org/image/abu_ghraib_02.jpg
Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one. The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.
Also Abraham Zapruder filmed the only footage of the entire assasination. In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy's head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.
And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKassassinationsC.htm Has information on the Select comitees findings.
I don't see any women and children there (your original charge). That's not to excuse these acts. After all, we put those soldiers in prison and don't condone that behavior. So in the end you didn't back up your charge. Asshole.
Have you seen the film JFK? If you have then you would know that the shot allegedly made by Oswald was an impossible one.
That was one of the conspiracy theories that Stone pushed out as fact.
The gun that he was using could not fire at the rate that was recorded.
Actually it can very easily when handled by a competent shooter, which Oswald most certainly was. Again, this was one of the made up facts in the movie. (Amazing that you bought it so easily I might add.)
In his footage you can clearly see that the fatal shot pushes Kennedy back and to the left. It also blew the back, right side of Kennedy's head off. This could not have happened if Oswald had fired the gun as he was behind the president, a LONG way behind.
Oswald was behind Kennedy and to the right. He shot Kennedy, pushing him to the left. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. He shot off the right side of Kennedy's head. That makes sense considering where it was coming from. The distance doesn't matter in this, only the directions and angles.
And in the 1978 House select comitee on the Assanation of JFK they concluded "on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy."
Probably. I'd say, "no shit", but nobody knows. In any regard, I won't dispute it.
Stupid sounding asian name~
You suck, you are a retard. You can't spell correctly or even use proper grammar. You have no idea what apostrophes are or how to use them. Your logic and flawed and your knowledge is little. Your mother was a hampser! You are brainwashed and small. You are obviously less than 5 feet tall. Your manhood is tiny and your brain the size of a pea. You're obviously also a yankee and own slaves.
These are not insults. They are simple truths.
I see that you are using AOL. Please note that I have contacted AOL's abuse department about your threats of violence here. I expect that you will be hearing from them in short order.
Disagreeing with myself or the other commenters on this site is one thing, but I draw the line at threats of violence.
Einstein said something about having an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out.
As you admit... Stone admits that his documentaries are nonfactual. Since he doesn't tell you which part is real and which part is his own made up shit, what's the purpose in watching his movies? Your admission does nothing to strength an argument that Oliver Stone should have anything to do with as delicate a material as 9/11.
I can see why he'd like it though... plenty of conspiracy theories for his paranoid drug-fried mind to work with.
Question: Who--and I mean specifically--bought the first bullet in JFK's head? Was it a Commie plot? Or was it someone on LBJ's payroll? Castro? Queers in Big Easy? Maybe Hoover getting large in his girdle?
Stone's entire "auterish" being is "I'm telling you the truth" and that crap has been obliterated, and he's been hammereed by historians harder than his crack hookups (oops! I'm sorry, "screenplays") could ever hope.
Until you got a good spin on anything--and I mean ANYTHING--this monkey has ever afforded the public argument that has not played out to be a fever dream, STFU.
... if you wanna keep barking up that tree, ...well, I got a waterfall made of chocolate I would like you to open your mouth and drown beneath. It's located directly beneath the Brooklyn Bridge.
That's different from calling a film a documentary.
I'm not sure that he's described his movies as "documentaries." But within the fictional setting of the movie, a filmmaker may use actual events around which he builds a story, and the result can be an authentic work or art or entertainment. Shakespeare used actual people and events in his plays, and doesn't tell you which are real, but that doesn't mean his work is less worthwhile.
His ENTIRE thing has been "I'll tell you the truth."
And he's been making shit up since Day One.
I dare you, right now here today, to go ask a smattering of people under a certain age and of a certain political ken where they got their impetus: It was from Moore, and his ilk, twisting facts to meet an agenda that portays the US as the Almighty Bastard of International Politics.
That is nasty... thanks for the mental image...
HAHA! You're funny.... I guess you're some kind of super engineer that studied this material?
And FYI, the planes didn't cause the towers to come down... In case you didn't notice, it took like an hour for them to actually fall... What hapened was that all that aviation fuel (the jets were FULL, the were on cross-country flights and had just left) burnt so hot it melted the metal frame which caused the buildings to come down...
Because you're not. You're just a poser who spouts wild conspiracy theories on the Internet.
Look, the perimeter was the load-bearing section of the building sure, but what does that have to do with anything?
Here> is a pretty good explanation from civil engineers in Sydney as to what brought the towers down.
Just curious though, how do you believe Cheney did it? Did he hire Halliburton to melt them with an invisible metal-melting ray to simiulate fire heating the steel?
And as Likwid said, you're obviously not an engineer based on your moronically simple answer about the 9-11 commission, so don't even pretend to be. If you were really a civil engineer (as I was very close to becoming) you would have a much mroe detailed and jargon-ized answer...
Hm.... using his dark lord powers of course.
It's amazing how many people believe really stupid shit. And the 9/11 conspiracy gunk is really stupid shit.
Complete list of all airline and WTC deaths can be found here along with pictures
Satisfied?
Btw, you should lay off whatever it is you're on. too much dope, too much X, too much Vodka... whatever it is...
Ladies and gentlemen, this is your brain on liberalism.
Then there is the little problem of video of the planes slamming into the high rises...
Your comment about "planes don't cause buildings to fall like that, period" was pretty sad too... considering that it took an hour for the buildings to collapse after being struck. And it was the fire not the collision that caused the buildings to collapse. And the fire didn't melt the supporting beams, the heat just reduced their load bearing capacity to the point where they failed. Engineering 101.
Had the plains not been heavily laden with fuel (for cross-country flights) it is unlikely that the buildings would have collapsed. It was either a coincidence that planes with sufficient fuelant were both flown into the range of floors that ensured a collapse. You can look for conspiracies there if you want (they would probably start in Baghdad).
What utter tripe. This garbage has been debunked a long time ago.
What about the stationary surveilance videos that captured the pentagon crash? why were they seized? why have we not seen them? Why does popular mechanics not debunk this popular non-theory, that the videos were seized because the gub-munt don't want you to see what's on them....and do you wonder why?
I'd suggest you fact check that. All I'm gonna say on that topic.
Maybe it's because it's the freakin' Pentagon and you can't just go taking video and pictures of the place, especially when it was just attacked and in it's most vulnerable state!
Sheesh, get a grip...
I started understanding that the world trade center was a controlled demolition about 6 weeks before the 2004 presidential election fraud //
http://www.st911.org/ SCHOLARSFORTRUTH
THIS SITE HAS A LOT OF EXCELLENT FEATURE VIDEOS ONLINE FREELIKE 911eyewitness where Richard Segal sets up a camera with audio on a dock in N.J.1.8 mi. from the event and get the explosions in the basement before the buildings fall//
In the released fireman interviews of august 2005
MANY HEARD AND SAW BOMBS SEQUENTIALLY EXPLODING
The international terrorist cabal, my friend, is in the White House.
Get the free DVD "Confronting the Evidence" from philanthropist Jimmy Walter at reopen911.org .