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All you care about are teleprompters. That'll grow the rightie republican party. Keep it up boys!
When Bush misunderspoke you liberals were all over him for it.
This is called "payback in full measure".
He writes things down in advance of a speech to make sure he covers all the things he wants to talk about!
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The fact that Presidents don't have time to memorize their speeches and work off of prepared remarks is nothing new.
Well, the situation here is that the left used Bush's various speech-making escapades to brand him as stupid. But Hopey McChange was supposed to usher in a new era of intellectualism to the White House.
So his repeated gaffes behind the mic are...ironic.
No need to get cranky about it. I don't think Obama's a bad leader because of his teleprompter. I think he's a bad leader because of his policies.
The teleprompter is just funny.
But I do know why you're grumpy. Obama is making you all look dumb.
He writes things down in advance of a speech to make sure he covers all the things he wants to talk about![/quote]
The 'teleprompter' meme is an example of a slightly less religious version of [url=http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/more_storm_parodies/#c450628]the 'storm' phenomenon[/url].[quote][b]Rote learning[/b] is a learning technique which [b]avoids understanding of a subject and instead focuses on memorization[/b]. The major practice involved in rote learning is [b]learning by repetition[/b]. The idea is that one will be able to quickly recall the meaning of the material the more one repeats it.[/quote]Hence the referential 'saturation' the term 'teleprompter' now has. It is now symbolic of anything the metaphor-slinging retards want.
Heh.
Meanwhile Obama is oving his agenda and you won't be able to stop him. The vast majority of the public is supporting Obama and his agenda.
But you keep talking about the teleprompter. How's it feel to be out in the wilderness.
Oh and Zsa Zsa, you have another four years to whine.
all these terms have been ruined by past republican attempts to place politics above concerns about proper reference and maintaining basic communication skills. now they can only talk to themselves, in the corner, with their hollow, empty words. and they continue to blame others. someone needs a little time out and a short couple lectures on [i]stabilizing reference[/i].
[quote]Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law.
And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, [b]he uses a teleprompter too much[/b], he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes.[/quote]
You keep bringing that figure up. Did you get a talking points memo today or something?
Do you think that maybe the GOP is losing membership because the GOP stopped being conservative?
I think you need to be a little smarter than to think that politics is little more than a football game with a Democrat team and a Republican team. Just because the GOP is lost in the wilderness doesn't mean the Democrats are doing well.
The left did it for the last eight years and they're in power now! Maybe your theory doesn't work out.
All you care about are teleprompters. That'll grow the rightie republican party. Keep it up boys!
You're not listening. Again.
Meanwhile Obama is oving his agenda and you won't be able to stop him. The vast majority of the public is supporting Obama and his agenda.
You mean when you poll twice as many Democrats?
In any regard, we heard this claptrap back when HillaryCare was being bandied about.
[quote]"In addition to John -- sorry, the -- I just noticed I jumped the gun here," Obama said, pausing for several seconds as he looked at the prompter. "Go ahead. Move it up. I had already introduced all you guys." [/quote]
bush gaffe:
[quote]"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
bush
Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007 [/quote]
[quote]Just because the GOP is lost in the wilderness doesn't mean the Democrats are doing well.[/quote]
The Truth:
[quote]PRINCETON, NJ -- An average of 36% of Americans identified themselves as Democrats and 28% as Republicans in 2008. That eight-point advantage is the largest for the Democratic Party since Gallup began regularly conducting its polls by telephone in 1988.
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[url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/113947/Democrats-2008-Advantage-Party-Largest.aspx]...The year-by-year trend shows that Democrats have gained ground against Republicans in each of the last five years, going from a deficit of two points in 2003 to the most recent eight-point advantage.[/url][/quote]
Sparkless's gaffe: Bobs mom doesn't let bob have sleep overs anymore since the the unfortunate incident when she caught him and Dino down in her basement.
Good morning Winged Dick Head Avatar Guy.
What is the difference between writing things down in a speech and looking down, vs. reading from a teleprompter?
Sarah Palin can't get through 3 intelligent sentences without having to look down. She is patently stupid, and not even her written speech makes her sound intelligent, yet you all drink the koolaid from her slippers.
[quote]When Bush misunderspoke you liberals were all over him for it.
This is called "payback in full measure".[/quote]
Hahaha! What a child. Do as I say, not as I do?
Further, Obama isn't even misspeaking here. He has, and he will, but not as densely as Bush usually had.
What ever. Let them be little kids if it makes them happy.
Watching Republicans make an argument is like watching children throw a tantrum.
All things the public doens't give one whit about. It could be that the republican party lied to the American party for the alst 8 years about what they stood for. I don't beleive they have any ideas that appeal to the indipendents. They have said no too many times. They have lied about who they are and what they stand for.
And to now claim that they need to go back to what they were, no one remembers what they stand for nor to they believe they will beo back to what they were. We are long past what you used to be. The times have changed and your party isn't changing. You have no ideas except to say no to everything. The public is tired of your ilk not accomplishing anything and lying about it.
zactlly.
is now a bad time to bring up the instance where barry was caught trying to use a window as door?
Well Jimmy,
he was probably tired from visiting all 57 states.
Obummer can't get through a single conversation without a teleprompter, so I guess that makes him pretty stupid (patent pending) right?
and you rub up on and sniff his smelly drawers.
I was being generous.
He is, after all, touted to be the gifted orator.
Adults prefer a president who can speak intelligently in order to inform us on his policies, rather than remain behind a curtain of secrecy.
Adults prefer that the president make an error reading a speech than speak off the cuff like a bumbling idiot.
That's all were sayin.
You made a very similar comment on another thread about the same subject...
[quote]Hannitized says...
"You guys used to bitch about the far left that did this..."[/quote]
To which I responded then and now...
[quote]... among whom, you were one of the WORST offenders! You reveled in it... mocked him relentlessly... rubbed it in everyone's face... had a cartoon avatar of a drunken Bush for months after he left office.
Thus, your current sanctimoneous whining rings very hollow.
[/quote]
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/barack...
The evidence is beginning to mount that President Obama is a great [i]reader[/i] when the teleprompter works, but a great orator? Umm... maybe not so much.
It seems to me, and I don't understand why no one has noticed this, that the Teleprompter (TOTUS) is another legacy from the G.W. (Gee-Dubs) Bush Administration. Or else, it another case of the perversity of inanimate objects.
Link me to where I have done that. Link me to a post that i have dedicated to mocking our president.
The only time where I comment on Bush, was in defense on an attack on BO.
Face it. The right is dedicated to making a mockery of Obama on SAB, where the left paled in comparison when it came to mocking the president.
So what?
So, what do you prefer H?
[quote][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM]There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." [/url]
dumbya[/quote]
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Sadly, the far right swallows the bait every time.
They do double duty for the Dems.
First, they abandon any important message they might have to communicate in order to make a meaningless self serving attack. This makes the meaningless attack news, and puts the meaningful message on the back burner, right where the Dems want it.
Way to go.
Secondly, the middle voters, the people that must be swayed if there is any chance of moderating this swing left, think this sort of attack is stupid and give it no credence. They see it like a Jerry Springer show. The media then paints the whole GOP with this ugly brush that so many of you hand them on a silver platter.
You not only distract the middle from what might be important, you also put them off. They dont hear whats important, and they like you even less.
There you have it. Until you learn to pick your battles, and you learn when to shut the fuck up and let the other side hurt themselves for a while, in the wilderness you will stay.
It is so wonderful to have you out there in front, leading the charge, taking the lead, head of the pack, directing the herd, setting the goals... uh, which anonymous hidden underground bunker are you leading us from again? just thought I should know where my marching order are coming from.
My point must be over your head.
What I don't get is why you can't be a moderate all by yourself?
Do you have "BORN TO LOSE" tattoed on your chest? Ignoring the facts so you can "feel" better will get you nowhere. You are the same as the far left in many ways. Emotional, self serving, and self destructive. Too bad you are just what Obama and the Dems need; A group of folks to make them look good to the middle so they can just keep right on winning while you keep losing and looking like what you are: overly emotional and ignorant of what you are doing to yourself.
Either you're retarded, insane, both, or all three.
[b]HE'S A FUCKING LAWYER YOU MORON.[/b]
The entire raison d'etre of a lawyer is speaking on his own before a room of jurors, judge, opposing counsel, and spectators and making it good, legal, proper.
This buffoon demonstrates an inability to do that and you're defending him. The average public defender has more speaking skills than BO. My wife works sales and does better and she's otherwise a housemaker.
WTF?
Hannah: [quote]Adults prefer a president who can speak intelligently in order to inform us on his policies, rather than remain behind a curtain of secrecy.[/quote]
Well, that rules Obama out. He's clearly incapable of speaking intelligently on his own and if he's so grossly uninformed he has to read something fed to him by someone else every single time, it means OBAMA IS THE ONE MOST LOST IN A CURTAIN OF SECRECY. Do you really think the president should have the least possible grasp of what is going to the point he cannot even speak on it?
There are convenience store owners who can chat you up about the news of the day with more consistency, competence, and skill that Obama can. That's pathetic.
Hannah: [quote]Adults prefer that the president make an error reading a speech than speak off the cuff like a bumbling idiot.[/quote]
There you go again contradicting yourself by not even reading what you are typing.
Making constant errors due to not being able to read a teleprompter unless it is at arm's reach is not sounding intelligent. Heck, if his ability to read a teleprompter and recognize when he's getting duplicate info is so challenged, that puts him below the average teenager who plays videogames all day.
Speaking off the cuff? Bush did that and won two terms.
You know, you Dems must have understood the whole standalone complex phenomenon on a subliminal basis and figured since you were going to get whoever you chose elected because they were being allowed to run against a prez who wasn't up for re-election, that if Bush was so dumb as you thought, you were not to be left slouches and felt you could out do Bush and pick someone even dumber.
Good going, you were right. You did pick someone dumber than Bush.
I'm voting straight independent next time.
Did you have something to add or is that it?
Funny how when you tell the truth some folks just cant handle it. The rush of self serving emotionalism is just to much for some to resist.
Who are you going to vote for, Jim? You will be a victim of divide and conquer strategy then. Independents don't win elections.
You don't have a point. unless it's to prove your a whiny little bitch.
You moderates need to learn that middle of the roaders have a habit of getting their stupid asses run over.
You're just not listening. In fact, you're adamant on not listening. You keep saying that Republicans "say no to everything" like a robot.
It looks like you're the big liar here. You've been giving us projection.
Wow. Blatant lying.
Face it. The right is dedicated to making a mockery of Obama on SAB, where the left paled in comparison when it came to mocking the president.
A measure of degree based in opinion, but that takes balls to even claim that. Wow again.
Remember the "anti-war" protests? No, you don't seem to. Here, take a gander. There are tons more where that came from. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
The right's mocking doesn't really compare to the hate-filled left's. Why even go there, "Hannitized" (your nickname itself a mockery)? Why even take that form of argument? "Well, you guys are worse than us!" 1. No, we're not. 2. Grow the fuck up.
[quote]HE'S A FUCKING LAWYER YOU MORON.
The entire raison d'etre of a lawyer is speaking on his own before a room of jurors, judge, opposing counsel, and spectators and making it good, legal, proper.
This buffoon demonstrates an inability to do that and you're defending him. [/quote]
Your argument would have merit if Obama didn't discuss the issues regularly without a TP, but he does all the time. He often has "fire-side" chats and the fact that you ignore this just shows what a dumbass you are, that you either don't know or are too stupid to recognize it.
[quote]He's clearly incapable of speaking intelligently on his own and if he's so grossly uninformed he has to read something fed to him by someone else every single time, it means OBAMA IS THE ONE MOST LOST IN A CURTAIN OF SECRECY.
[/quote]
Oh Jezuz Christ you are a dipshit. This whole time I thought you were a chick because your rants were so pathetically stupid. As it turns out you are nothing more than a delusional twad with delusions of adequacy.
[quote]Making constant errors due to not being able to read a teleprompter unless it is at arm's reach is not sounding intelligent. [/quote]
Oh lawd........the teleprompter prompted the wrong part of the speech and he caught it.
What a freackin moron you are.
[quote]Good going, you were right. You did pick someone dumber than Bush.[/quote]
Hahahaha! Ok, lil guy.
Sadly, the far right swallows the bait every time.
They do double duty for the Dems.
First, they abandon any important message they might have to communicate in order to make a meaningless self serving attack. This makes the meaningless attack news, and puts the meaningful message on the back burner, right where the Dems want it.
Way to go. [/quote]
Well, Dragon, I can't disagree with you more. Letterman, Leno, and the like turned Bush into a moron by endlessly playing clips like "Is our children learning?"
As much as I dislike it, this works. People respond more to fluff than actual news.
[quote]Secondly, the middle voters, the people that must be swayed if there is any chance of moderating this swing left, think this sort of attack is stupid and give it no credence. They see it like a Jerry Springer show. The media then paints the whole GOP with this ugly brush that so many of you hand them on a silver platter. [/quote]
Bro, I hate to talk to you like you're stupid, but where the hell do you live? Jerry Springer gets more viewers than Meet the Press. People care more about American Idol than anything else. We just had a President win by repeating mindless slogans. There are some independants who know what they believe, but for the most part, Independants are political agnostics.
[quote]There you have it. Until you learn to pick your battles, and you learn when to shut the fuck up and let the other side hurt themselves for a while, in the wilderness you will stay.[/quote]
I may agree with alot of what you have to say, but don't kid yourself, you couldn't be more wrong here. When you talk about how to win elections, you may as well be saying 5+5=2.
Your points are valid, but not to the extent you would like them to be. I would say the reason I am right and you are wrong is because up to this point it would take only a few percentage points swayed in the electorate to change things for the good. These few percentage points are the very people I am speaking of. They are in the middle, they are not interested in the Jerry Springer mentality, and they are the people the GOP needs. It doesnt take a mass shift in the mentality of the American People, just a few smart middle of the roaders to believe the GOP is more than an attack dog and a circus sideshow.
You are so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.
Arlen Specter is the perfect example of how you so-called moderates are just a bunch of useless pieces shit who can't be counted on to do the right thing unless you think it will score you some political points, and the minute you find out you don't get a ticker tape parade for doing what any decent self respecting "man" would do, you stomp off in a huff and join the other team.
Moderates have no values, no principles, they stand for nothing and in so doing they fall for anything.
The biggest complaint each and every election cycle, apart from the negative campaigning, is the pandering. the promises, the new spending on this or that. well that ain't for the base you ignorant bastard, it's to buy off the fence sitting moderate voter, thanks! you cancerous blight on society.
The GOP doesn't [i]need[/i] moderates, it needs people who don't have their hands out with a sign that reads "what will you give me to vote for you?"
Conservatives always play that card when the reality of the world they are in is changing all around them.
Look how far we have come as a nation, no thanks to the conservatives.
Say what you want homo-erotic cartoon guy, but so far all you offer are insults and stupid emotionalism. Like I said before, you are self detructive and overly emotional like a liberal(or these days a far right conservative). If you want to quit bawling and add something that can be responded to, please feel free. Otherwise, I will just relegate you to the pile of dipshit emotionalists who cant think thier way out of a paper bag, much less win an election. I find EMO far right cons creepy and useless. Too bad you are both.
Quit crying and try using your head for a change. Dems might be slowed down a little if you and many other overly emotional dipshits could think past your own sad emotional state of being. But then, why would you? Your not interested in winning or even mounting a real defense against the Dems. You just want to emote and cry and be angry and make yourself "FEEL" better. Born to lose describes you perfectly.
Emotion has a low I.Q.
thanks for proving my point.
It does if it want to win any election of substance in the next 20 years or so. This is the stupidest thing you have said to date.
why don't you just concentrate on the Dems Whore, they seem more than willing to pay.
President Reagan was an enormous success [i]precisely[/i] because he was a conservative who embraced moderates and they embraced him.
Not quite PParets. Moderates embraced Reagan's message. Reagan did not embrace the politics of the moderates.
They define moderate as being pro-abortion on demand at any time for any reason, supporting redefining marriage to include homosexuals without regard to infidelity and promiscuity, supporting strict gun control, supporting higher taxes, supporting American laws and policy being linked to and limited by foreign nations' whimsy and opinion, etc.
That makes the left what? Stalin? Mao? It makes them about one half foot-step left of the center.
The public is not behind those things despite the carefully loaded and highly prejudicial polls they keep running. We've seen that time and again.
DO NOT be fooled by the landslide for Obama. He was running against a sitting president who constitutionally was not up for reelection. They weren't for Obama much less anything he was about especially since he was on every side of every issue until he took the oath of office. They were voting for Not Bush and Obama was the schmuck who ended up in the position.
homo-erotic cartoon guy,
Emotional outbursts are obviously your speciality and all you know how to express. Stupid, lame, and emotionally disabled is no way to go through life son. Study your history. Live in the real world instead of your private kiddie world of "I WANT"! You will go further. Oh.... I keep forgetting. You have born to lose tattooed on your chest. You are only interested in your "FEELINGS". Much like a little girl. Or a devout far left liberal. Very unfortunate for you.
Was that Harvard or Yale or just..
[quote]"FEELINGS". Much like a little girl. Or a devout far left liberal. Very unfortunate for you.[/quote]
Well, I'm not fooled by the Obama landslide, precisely because there WAS NO OBAMA LANDSLIDE! His popular-vote margin was no greater than most winners of that office. The "landslide" that he won - such as it was - was an Electoral College landslide.
Folks like you and HG can fool yourselves all you want. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a 'pure' conservative party or government in this country.
Moderates in our party are NOT defined by some MSM rhetoric and are indespensible to a future GOP victory. Likewise, you know very little about the Reagan Administration if you think he did not incorporate moderate views in many of his policies.
This is not true Suite. The demographics speak for themselves. The recent elections, national as well as state, speak for themselves. Plus, I think that a large part of what the public perceives as conservative are the screaming incoherants who are most interested in Obama's telepromter practices, or his birth certificate. This is somewhat the fault of the media, but the truth is that the far right is giving them all the ammo they need to paint all conservatives with this brush. They make themselves look like idiots. There seems to be no tactical forthought at all with the far right. Just emotionalism.
If the country were aligned as you say, we would have never had Clinton, Bush Sr., W, or Obama. We would not have a superminority for the GOP in congress. Hell, if what you say were true, even 45 years ago, Barry Goldwater would have been president. The middle is the middle. They are not all unwitting conservatives that are just confused and hoodwinked.
You are right about one thing though. The main reason Obama was elected was the intense dislike of W, and who can be blamed for that other than W himself?
Kind of a blanket throw anybody under the bus who doesn't think like you, isn't that?
It's this attitude precisely which has led to the collapse of the Republican Party.
Are you the one who makes the determination of who is and who is not ideologically pure enough to have "value and principles"?
I warned my Republican friends that they were going to face a wake up call after 2004 election and this attitude started to pervade, and they pshawed me, told me I was crazy.
At the moment, socially conservative, evangelical Christians (yes there are other types of evangelicals) represent about 15% of the country. They think they've hung the moon and that everybody else (including Christians who aren't doctrinally in agreement with them) is unworthy of any modicum of respect.
Guess it's about time to start another party for those of us who don't fit in your tiny little tent, but think that a multiparty-run system is in the best interests of the country.
I always admire you dragon poker for the high level of discourse you always bring to the table.
/sneeze *bullshit* /sneeze
Just speakin yer language. When you learn to communicate without all the overt emotionalism I will be more than happy to discuss this further with you.
I'm pretty sure the "true believers" would reject Reagan today. He would be called a RINO and all sorts of other things.
HG: I'm not sure how you decided that.
What makes one a moderate? Other apparently than having no morals and being easily fooled I mean.
It leaves the door open for democrats to borrow conservative positions that moderates are in favor of supporting.
[quote]Just like Reagan did. What we don't need is wishy washy self serving unprinicipled career politicians like Specter in our leadership.[/quote]
It is 2009, not 1980. The American people have evolved and think much differently. Pure conservatism has it's place, but it certainly wont have a majority party.
Uh, fuck you?
I try to approach things from an intellectual standpoint, but I am perfectly willing to treat others the way they treat me. I am reasonable, but I am not a pacifist. Did you read any of the other comments, or did you just grab this one and go with it?
I don't think that's the only reason.
I really feel that the Republican party as a whole has collapsed and has no center, no core right now.
The Democrats ran against a vacuum in 2008, part of which was between John McCain's ears, I might add....
I should have said, borrow and make their own.
I move to center as I get older, and in some ways I have been to the right on certain social issues.
But the hard core conservatives just seem a bit too loony for my liking.
Well what values are shown by those who sell their support to the highest bidder?
I mean really, you should be able to make up your mind based on what you can learn about a given politicians track record, not by what he promises to do for, or give to you or your group.
Thats what I thought you would say. I believe the correct response at this time is....Uh, fuck you too?
My offer still stands. Come back when you are not in such emotional distress.
I wont wait up.
Emotion has a low I.Q.
I agree. I do think that the vacuum was created primarily by the dismal performance of Bush and the total lack of oversight and rubber stamp mentality by the GOP congress for 6 of the 8 Bush years.
Well then you should be quite happy with the way the new moderate congress gets on with things.
You believe the congress is moderate? Hmm. Really?
I think the congress is fairly leftist. The reason they are leftist is becasue the GOP collapsed and the natural balance has been lost due to that collapse. If the balance were to be restored, if the GOP had some power restored(by winning elections somewhere besides the south), even with a Dem simple majority, the balance would exist again and we would then have a moderate congress. Until then, the Dems have been handed a free ticket. Why? Because the GOP is eating itself for lunch instead of attracting new voters.
Demographics dont lie.
the savior of the GOP we foolishly squandered then his Svengali like powers of moderation should have this Congress dancing to your tune in no time.