DISQUS

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

Bush is the current leader of the Republican party. BUSH has more influence over the Republican party than Gingrich.


I would love it to be the other way around, but for good or for worst, it is what it is.

robert108 · 3 years ago

aNON: Unfortunately, it seems as if the lying MSM has more influence over public opinion than any other person or organization.

kbiel · 3 years ago

the Conservative Wing of the Republican Party is once again split over philosophy and viable political strategy.

Actually, I think it comes from a fear of failure. Either conservative ideas are good for the country or they aren't. Moderating your ideals to get elected is just cowardly.

Personally, I think that strong conservative candidates can and do win (as Reagan proved), but the republican party is more interested strategery than promoting their best candidate (platformwise).

Newt is not that guy for the reasons stated above, but a J.C. Watts or Dick Armey candidacy would be nearly unstoppable, especially when put up against the linguini spined, cut-and-run peacenik that the dems are sure to nominate.

robert108 · 3 years ago

Interesting note: This morning, Rush reported a poll (Zogbe, I think), that revealed Newt as a big front-runner. The tricky part is that none of the candidates was listed by name, only by accomplishments. This shows the power of the MSM's propensity to demonize by personal attack, rather than talk about the candidates' qualifications. I find it very interesting, and another angle on the honesty/dishonesty of polling in general.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

I don't yet have a blog account, and so I'm going to ask the following question here, ..

was the minimum wage actually raised without us even noticing? ..within the pension bill Bush was heiling the other day,..

Human Events' Robert Novak:

Pensions-Wages: In a typical act of legislative brinksmanship, the imperious retiring House Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas (R-Calif.) left town for the August recess after shoving through a complicated bill which the Senate must now pass, untouched, or else risk grave and dramatic real-world consequences.

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The imminent passage this week of the combined estate-tax-minimum-wage-pension bill (see below) constitutes another Republican retreat in the eyes of the conservative Republican base. The 41 percent increase in the minimum wage follows the education and prescription-drug subsidies as deviations from conservative doctrine.

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the moderate Thomas has clearly led the GOP House to violate conservative doctrines. In accepting this bill, Republican lawmakers cast doubt on what they really believe. How bizarre to hear Thomas and other Republicans praise an increase in the minimum wage. Conservatives such as Representatives Mike Pence (R-Ind.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) tried to soften the higher minimum wage's impact on small businesses by joining it with a free-market plan to cut their health-care costs -- but they were told this would be doomed in the Senate by the "Big Blues" (Blue Cross and Blue Shield).

robert108 · 3 years ago

aNON: Of course this was a compromise in conservative principles, and of course it gives the leftie haters more ammunition to use against the President. In the real world, the population has been successfully brainwashed to believe that the minimum wage tax is somehow beneficial, and so it was thought that getting an end to the confiscation of estates from successful people, which would keep capital in private hands, is a worthwhile trade-off. That's the best I can do with it.

Sigivald · 3 years ago

The entire point Limbaugh is making is perfectly clear once you remember that "conservative" and "Republican" are not the same thing.

When he says Bush is a Republican but not "a conservative", he means exactly that; and when he says Bush is not leading "the conservative movement", he is not saying he is not the leader of the Republican Party.

Thus your question about who is leading the party is a non-sequitur (though it may still not be Bush who's leading the Party, of course, though as President he should have great influence).

FreeRepublicans.com · 3 years ago

I believe there is an Elected Leader of the Conservative Movement - Congressman Mike Pence of Indiana.

But again, he's not the recognized leader of the party.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

..yes they did, ..

..thanks to the moderate/dominican wing of the Republican party:

Another GOP Retreat

When House members departed last weekend for summer vacation, they handed a painful choice to senators left behind in 100-degree Washington heat. The haughty Senate could either rubber-stamp two complicated bills passed by the House or face real-life consequences. When it took the former course, the Republican-controlled Congress again had abandoned conservative doctrine.

This abandonment bears the imprint of Rep. Bill Thomas, the domineering House Ways and Means Committee chairman, in his farewell congressional performance. He combined GOP-sought estate tax relief with the minimum wage increase long blocked by Republicans as job-killing wage fixing. In accepting this, Republican lawmakers cast doubt on what they really believe.

A lame-duck committee chairman overpowering Congress connotes weak leadership in both House and Senate and a president detached from legislative activity. As the summer break approached, Congress was going nowhere on immigration and lobbyist controls, and long ago gave up on Social Security and tax reform called for by President Bush. But non-passage of two bills would bring real-life consequences.

I first heard on July 12 that House Republicans were planning to merge minimum wage and estate tax legislation. Thomas last week combined them with the extenders bill. Arrogant, acerbic and authoritarian, the chairman was going out with a bravura performance (refusing to walk across the Capitol to meet with senators). Last week, senators cooled their heels for hours while waiting for Thomas and other House members to attend a meeting.

Sen. Charles Grassley, Thomas's counterpart as Senate Finance Committee chairman, was furious. He had planned to sweeten his pension bill with the popular extender measure. An enraged Grassley burst uninvited into a meeting of House Republican leaders. He and Thomas, long locked in mutual contempt, attacked each other face-to-face at a Thursday night meeting. But Grassley was undercut by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's support of Thomas's plan.

House Republican leaders next swallowed the 41 percent minimum wage hike -- under duress. Moderate Eastern and Midwestern House members, many threatened for re-election and embarrassed by failure to raise minimum wages, issued a ultimatum: Without the minimum wage, they would block scheduled House adjournment last Friday. The moderate tail again was wagging the conservative dog in the House.

the Bush tail has won the day

robert108 · 3 years ago

aNON: You seem to concentrate on, emphasize, and rejoice in any evidence of discord among Republicans. Meanwhile, the Dem attempt to purge Joe Lieberman remains below your radar. Interesting.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

YEAH, and the critiques about the miscomings of the Democrats are in short supply here on Say Anything. Bad Repulbicans deserve it as bad as bad Democrats do.

When are you going to Say something nice about Monsieur Bush?, lol

robert108 · 3 years ago

aNON: So, you are the self-appointed "decider" about what should be said on this blog? Why not just speak for yourself?
In the overall sense, this blog is an island of conservatism in a media sea of unceasing attacks on the President, this administration, Republicans in general, and conservatives. I think we are the balance to leftie MSM bias, which is why blogs are so popular. Non-lefties have almost no voice on TV and newspapers, and so can only find common views on blogs like this or on talk radio. Taking all that into account, what are you really doing here? We can get the anti-Republican view from the NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN and PBS. Not to mention National Geographic, Time and Newsweek.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

aNON: So, you are the self-appointed "decider" about what should be said on this blog? Why not just speak for yourself?

FUNNY how you like accusing others of twisting your words.

..I accasionally do critisize the Dems and praise a small and decreasing group of Republican (current and ancient, lol) with whom I vehemently agree.

I just don't see the point of you wanting me to preach to the quire, particularly when so many good preacher, as yourself, are already doing so.

you and I seem to have different perspective on blogs. I see them more as a place to discuss and serve as a watchdog of those we elect, even those pertaining to hold our values.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

I believe there is an Elected Leader of the Conservative Movement - Congressman Mike Pence of Indiana.

HE would have to battle Jeff Flake for that title, in my view of conservatism.

FreeRepublicans.com · 3 years ago

HE would have to battle Jeff Flake for that title, in my view of conservatism.

Why would there be a battle? They're buds.

robert108 · 3 years ago

Cooperation is much better than fighting. It is necessary to have shared goals in order to cooperate, though.

realitybasedbob · 3 years ago

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is arguably the true leader of the GOP...

Sure why not, he embodies gop family values, gop ethics, has resigned in disgrace and sounds like a muppet.

Bring him on.

aNONOMISLY · 3 years ago

Why would there be a battle? They're buds.

..FOR the title of main figure head of my type of conservative movement, ..they're both great.