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If you are going to kill yourself and take down as many people as possible with you, would you try and do it at a Gun Show or an NRA convention? No, you go to a place where you know the people won't be able to fight back.
I grew up in the Bronx in the '50s and the '60s. At that time the relevant folk wisdom was, "I'd rather get caught with my gun than without it."
Police said they arrived within two minutes...
Police heard no gunfire after they arrived but waited for about an hour before entering the building to make sure it was safe for officers.[/quote]
What's the point of calling 911 if they arrive within two minutes and then sit outside for the rest of the day to "make sure it's safe"?[/quote]-[url=http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MDVjOTMzNWVkODdmMWEyZGE4ZmUzMDJlNGFkZTEwNDA=]Mark Steyn[/url]
A gun is just a means to an end. Removing that means doesn't mean the person seeking the end can't find other means[/quote]
What an idiotic argument. Apologist.
How does a single man hold 20 people hostage with a bowie knife?
Explain that to me, you moron.
ARM NEWLY ADMITTED IMMIGRANTS WTIH GUNS!!
Great idea Rob......briliant!!
That is not the argument Rob made, brother. Rob said people will use something else to kill people if they are so bent on doing so.
So, if that is the case, how does a guy armed with a bowie knife take 20 people hostage?
He cant.
He cant do it with a car.
He cant do it with an axe.
He cant do it with a bow and arrow.
Guns increase criminal carnage.
That is not the argument Rob made, brother. Rob said people will use something else to kill people if they are so bent on doing so.
So, if that is the case, how does a guy armed with a bowie knife take 20 people hostage?
He cant.
He cant do it with a car.
He cant do it with an axe.
He cant do it with a bow and arrow.
Guns increase criminal carnage.
That those who are armed can defend themselves from criminals who have guns and go on a shooting spree. Like the virginia Massacre...where he argued armed citizens could have defended themselves.
[quote]As far as concealed weapons go, if you don't have one of the problems shown above, can pass a background check and demonstrate a knowledge of your state's gun laws and your weapon, you should be able to carry anywhere, anytime. We have nothing to fear from armed good citizens.[/quote]
Yeah....nobody EVER snaps and shoots (3) policemen with semi-automatic weapons.
Certainly not those who are egged on by guys like Rob and Rush.
Nothing to fear....at all.
PSHAW.
Classic.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-514164/...
Chucks Hannitized's theory right out the window.
'Fraid I'm not paying any attention to the thread, just saw "genius" in an obvious double post on the front page.
There are some pretty horrific stories of people with knives that show up in the news now and again, btw.
Most recently a 22 year old young man beheaded his sister in front of a police officer.
20 people getting held hostage by a gun man is a pretty uncommon experience. How many times has that happened in the last 50 years?
Letting people drive while talking with cell phones certainly kills a lot more people.
Care to guess in which type of legal system, this happens with the highest frequency? Once you get the right answer, explain to us again why gun control is such a great idea.
Ah...so the number makes a difference to you? So if it was 12,13,14,15,16 -19, they don't count? Hahaha.
I see.
It is dishonest to pretend that a man with a knife can hold more than 1 or 2 people hostage with that type of weapon.
Lets be real. There have been 5 massacres this month alone with people using guns. And the number is going to grow as people lose their jobs and become irrational.
They would not be able to do these things with a knife.
So what you're saying is that the Obama economic pogrom must be stopped now before everyone murders everyone else?
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[quote]So, if that is the case, how does a guy armed with a bowie knife take 20 people hostage?[/quote] - Hannitized, lying Marxist and MORONIC piece of shit.
A lot smaller than a Bowie knife, isn't it?
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Hannitized, you have the memory of a goldfish and a lot less sense. I bet you'd do whatever anyone told you to do if they waved one of those box cutters at you, you friggin' mangina.
What a moron...
So, if that is the case, how does a guy armed with a bowie knife take 20 people hostage?[/quote]
Hannitized, where do you get this "taking people hostage" from? We're not talking about a hostage situation, we're talking about murder. And yes, by the way, I think someone with a knife could easily kill 20 defenseless people. It's happened before.
My guess is that no one tried to fight back either. Like the students in Virginia Tech the victims probably cowed like sheep waiting to be shot.
Cowed like sheep...aka, acted like LIBERALS (cowards).
Or acted like Hannitized would and were standing in puddles of their own piss, crying like babies, when they weren't lying though their Marxist teeth and blaming gun laws while waiting for the nanny state to come to the rescue.
Unfortunately for him, it is [i]consistently wrong.[/i]
Gents, Navy divers call that [i]being on an angle descent.[/i]
First off, [b]if you have unarmed victims the weapons of choice can be anything.[/b]
From the boxcutters the 9/11 terrorists used to seize control over the passenger liners they later flew into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon (not to forget the heroic resistance put up by the unarmed passengers of the 4th airliner) ; to swords ([url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/540387.stm]England[/url], [url=http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Samurai-sword-attack-in-German-church/2005/04/04/1112489386034.html]Germany[/url])
to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyarubuye_massacre]spears and machetes[/url] ([url=http://ap.org/pages/about/pulitzer/fritz.html]Rwanda[/url], [url=http://www.mcgillreport.org/december_13.htm]Ethiopia[/url]) to cars and other vehicles ([url=http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/29/nation/na-briefs29.1]Nevada[/url], [url=http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=39672&fpage=1&highlight;=]China[/url] and North Carolina -- scroll to: [url=http://www.albawabaforums.com/read.php3?f=3&t=282066&a=1]Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar[/url]) .
[b]Second, massacres take place where victims are disarmed and cannot stop the bad guy with their own guns.[/b] Lo and behold, in [b]90 percent of the time[/b] (perhaps more) [b]the places where massacres occur is exactly where GUN CONTROL IS IN PLACE.[/b]
[quote]Overall, we find that states without right-to-carry laws had more deaths and injuries from multiple shootings per year (both in absolute numbers and on a per capita basis) during the 1977 to 1997 period. Note also that the number of states with right-to carry laws increased from 8 to 31 and the percentage of the U.S. population in these states rose from 8.5 to 50 percent in this period. [b]Yet, states without right-to-carry laws still account for the
large majority (often around 90 percent) of deaths and injuries.[/b] Turning to Table 2, we find that the per capita rates of shootings and injuries are greater in states without right-to-carry laws in 34 of the 42 comparisons. (See the last two columns in Table 2.) The annual differences are significantly different at least at the 4 percent level..
--- John R. Lott Jr., [b][url=http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=272929]Multiple Victim Public Shootings[/url][/b][/quote]
Damn, Han... arrogant and stupid is no way to go through life son.
Uhh...that is BS there bud. They used the threat of bombs to subdue the people, they used the shock of boxcutters to let them know they will kill people if necessary.
They shock and awed them.
Prove it.
Sort of like in a hostage situation?
How many folks would you say were on those planes?
If no man can hold more than 1 or 2 people hostage with a knife and the bombs were merely a threat and there were at the most only 5 Hijackers on any of the planes which means only 10 hostages at the most, what were the other 77 or so people who, as anyone at Hawaii Five-O could tell you, were definitely not hostages, doing?
You can't seriously be trying to tell us that the possibility getting cut was any kind of inducement for them to stay in their seats. I thought you just got done [b]ass[/b]uring us that that sort of cooperation can only be had at the point of a gun.
The complete truth may never be known since the flight recorders were destroyed either by the impact or ensuing fire.
The 9/11 attackers are subject to a great deal of conspiracy theory lore, up to and including alleging that they were an [url=http://www.rense.com/general21/was911mossad.htm]Israeli False Flag operation[/url], intended to enrage Americans against the Arabs and solidify American support for Israel.
Don't worry though. [i]L'il Kahuna[/i] was there to give us the straight scoop and educate us all.
Conspiracy theories about 9/11 aside, [b]the issue remains that if you have weapons and your victims do not, at the very least you have a substantial advantage, whatever those weapons may be.[/b]
Contrariwise, mass public shootings get stopped butt-cold when there is a good-guy gun to stop them, such as in [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting]Virginia[/url] and [url=http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/Mar/12/documents-shed-new-light-new-life-shooting/]Colorado.[/url]
[b][i][url=http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2007/12/shooting_at_new_1.php]the lady who brought down the killer was not a church employee, and was carrying her personal gun.[/url][/i][/b]
[quote][b][i]Aan unarmed man can only flee from evil, and one does not vanquish evil by fleeing from it.[/i][/b]
-- Col. Cooper[/quote]
Nice try though chumps.
In other words you have no proof of anything you say and just make up shit as you go along. You are the 2nd stupidest person on the Internet, right behind your pal dino.
Pathetic try, chump.
Geez, I thought it was when the passengers realized that this wasn't a normal hijacking and compliance still meant death is when they determined that they might as well foil this set of Terrorists' plans. Hence, [i][url=http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/962011/detail.html]Let's Roll[/url].[/i]
[quote][b]"They may have realized that (the hijackers) were planning to do the same thing with their plane," Beamer said Sunday in a telephone interview from her Hightstown, N.J., home. "So they chose to do what they could to prevent other people from being hurt."[/b][/quote]
Damn, Han, you are a fucktard.
Can't you give it a rest?
What [i]Onslaught[/i] said.
Sure ya do. Because one of your right wing nut buddies went and shot (3) cops because he thought his precious assault rifles were going to be taken away, and he snapped.
Just as i had always said was possible.
Now you all are going to play some bullshit story that high-jackers scared people with box cutters and pretend they didn't threaten to blow up the plane.
Idiots.
So go ahead and keep pretending that there was no protocol to let the high-jackers land prior to 911.
Pussies.
That ol piece of shit theory goes right out the window everytime there is another massacre.
FIVE fucking massacres this month.
Dip shits.
This is what old shit for brains, Hannitized, calls "Normal People"
OCD (can't stop spinning)
That ol piece of shit theory goes right out the window everytime there is another massacre.
FIVE fucking massacres this month.
Dip shits.
[/quote]
It's the liberal mind set like this that puts people in danger.
The Right to bear arms should not be infringed upon. Gun free zones are danger zones where only the criminal have guns in.
Hence you get this:
[quote]Authorities discovered the alleged gunman, 26-year-old Lovelle Mixon, had an extensive criminal history. At the time of the shooting, he was in violation of parole for assault with a deadly weapon, police said. [/quote]
I dunno Hunt, I think there may be a tighter relationship between these two than they are letting on.
[url=http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1526]ESPER[/url] photo image analysis results have just come back from the lab, and I must say that I am [b]shocked.[/b]
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[quote]Pussies.[/quote]
[quote]Dip shits.[/quote]
Here is the story of the day:
[quote]Three police officers have been killed by a gunman in Pittsburgh - the second mass shooting in the US in 24 hours...
Police said he was waiting, armed with rifles and a bulletproof vest. He shot two officers as they entered the house, and a third who tried to help them...
[b]His friends said he had recently lost his job, and was worried that US President Barack Obama was about to ban guns[/b].[/quote]
Sounds like AR-15 and/or Bullwinkle.
[quote]no one gives a flying f*ck about your views on guns.[/quote]
I know, because you all prefer to be ignorant and moronic.
Rush Limbaugh must be sooooo proud.
Ummm, hold the knife up to the neck of a pretty girl, little kid... someone others might fear would have their throat cut or head cut off.
Have you, by any chance, been sentient at ANY point over the past 20 years or so?
And this passes for normal in your world, does it?
Cranial/Rectal Inversion as well as OCD.
Have you, by any chance, been sentient at ANY point over the past 20 years or so?[/quote]
OK, find an example where THAT ever occurred.
Good luck.
The deranged Vietnamese killer believed his guns would be taken away under the Obama administration. The Pittsburg shooter had an extensive criminal past.
If your version is correct, please give us the link.
[quote][quote]Police said he was waiting, armed with rifles and a bulletproof vest.[/quote]
And this passes for normal in your world, does it?[/quote]
Uh, I believe that is why they call it "snapping". A normal person is normal, until they snap.
That is why your argument that only criminals kill people is stupid. It ignores reality like much of your arguments.
And with all those Class III weapons you are holding for other folks, Gawd help us!
Sroll up to comment 15 and try to pay attention PP.
I used todays shooting in Pittsburgh to refute the evidence Rob linked to, that suggests we have nothing to fear from normal people who have guns.
THAT IS PATENTED BULLSHIT.
[quote][b]Poplawski had feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon,"[/b] said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.
Perkovic, 22, said he got a call at work from him in which he said, "Eddie, I am going to die today. ... Tell your family I love them and I love you."
Perkovic said: "I heard gunshots and he hung up. ... He sounded like he was in pain, like he got shot."
[b]Poplawski had once tried to join the Marines, but was kicked out of boot camp after throwing a food tray at a drill sergeant, Perkovic said.[/b]
Another longtime friend, [b]Aaron Vire, said Poplawski feared that President Barack Obama was going to take away his rights, though he said he "wasn't violently against Obama."[/b]
[b]Vire, 23, said Poplawski once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn't successful. He said Poplawski owned an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.[/b]
Obama has said he respects Americans' constitutional right to bear arms, but that he favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he would approve some curbs on assault and concealed weapons.
[b]Poplawski had been laid off from his job at a glass factory earlier this year, said another friend, Joe DiMarco. DiMarco said he didn't know the name of the company, but knew his friend had been upset about it.[/b][/quote]
Conclusion:
Normal right wing internet, blog nut gets himself riled up, or possibly gets riled up by sites like this.....loses his job, snaps. Kills (3) police officers.
Sound about right?
Danc, twirl monkeys. Entertain me.
Wellllll... just for starters, and finding these links took about .0002 seconds...
[url=http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story/Mesa-teen-sentenced-for-plan-to-hold-his/o4xRny2fQkOSBWSTNIMwhg.cspx]Here[/url]
[url=http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/news/s/345/345237_hostage_saved_by_police_hero.html]Here[/url]
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/20/us/police-kill-fugitive-freeing-children-held-hostage.html]Here[/url]
and this is what they are threatening...
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/20/us/police-kill-fugitive-freeing-children-held-hostage.html]Here[/url]
If a person uses a gun to kill and it is not determined to be an act of self defense or in defense of others or some other act of justifiable homicide, then this person is a criminal.
sounds to me like your Mr. Poplawski was suffering from paranoid delusions, is this too some that you find normal in your everyday existence?
But then, after reflecting on the body of your commenting here at SAB, it probably is.
We've long since realized the futility of trying to squeeze some reality into that block head of yours.
So you just go ahead on and enjoy the pretty colors of the sky in whatever world it is that you live in.
And we'll enjoy heaping derision on you.
Deal?
[quote]On March 23, 2007, the Powell Junior High School student packed his backpack with a gun,[/quote]
He never carried out the act of holding the class hostage, he only held a knife to one girls neck.
I already said people hold one or two people hostage with a knife, but not a large number of people.
YOUR SECOND article was just a man holding his daughter hostage....(1) person. You idiot.
YOUR THIRD article was a guy holding (2) children hostage...just as I said.
It only took you .0002 seconds to show your stupidity.
Hilarious.
Keep entertaining me, i am bored tonight.
Jeez....how I have fallen.
I'm going to dinner.
See ya chump.
People kill people.......with guns.
There! Fixed it.
Sounds like AR-15 and/or Bullwinkle.[/quote]
I'm in no danger of losing my job and millions of Americans including me ARE worried about Obama and his thugs banning guns and for good reason. If you took the time to check his voting record,comments, and view of the 2A you would realize he HATES firearms and the people who own them.
I wonder how many people will do this when B.O. enacts some "common sense gun bans" after he scares citizens into believing "just a few more gun laws will keep us safe". And when his common sense horseshit laws do nothing to slow homicides, he will call for more gun control.
Your a real piece of shit Hannitzed. If you don't like guns, leave American soil and go someplace where guns aren't allowed in the hands of citizens.
[quote]One of two or more words, such as night and knight, that are pronounced the same but differ in meaning, origin, and sometimes spelling. [/quote]
You are a [i]weird[/i] little troll, Wankertized! But quite amusing in your incoherence! Heh.
If you think you do, you are a fool.
Wrong pronoun; you can only speak for yourself. You have no right to speak for real Americans on this issue.
There! Fixed it.
Poplawski had feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.[/quote]
Gee Hanni, I wonder wherever this guy got that idea from? Oh thats right, straight from the jackasses mouth. You incompetent asshole.
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obam...
It's painfully obvious Obama's policies and people losing jobs because of them is contributing to people snapping like this.
There! Fixed it.[/quote]
I have never heard ONE legitimate reason why I don't need an AR. Your "need argument is the same one Rebecca Peters used to start the gun confiscation in Australia. It's the same thing they said in England and Ireland as well. One ban will lead to another.
The #1 gun used in homicides in America is the .38 revolver not an autoloader. I suppose you think we "need" to ban them now?
If you think you do, you are a fool.
[/quote]
What part of shall not be infringed upon do you not understand?
How overweeningly arrogant of you to deign to overthrow the Constitutional rights of 300 million American citizens.
You are incredibly typical of the average Leftist -- both stupid AND arrogant.
Tell you what -- why don't you at least go through the motions of amending part of the Constitution in the manner provided for change -- via the Amendment process.
Don't think your idea will make it through the super- majorities it will need to pass? They you need to STFU of consider yourself an enemy of the US Constitution.
Heyyyyy -- looky here, it says anyone taking the Oath of any governmental office has a duty to defend the Constitution against the likes of skidmarks such as yourself -- since you seem to feel the Constitution is an impediment to your brave new world.
(3) Policemen would be able to provide for their families tonight, if this kids family just gave him a skateboard, instead of an AK-47.
Who in the hell planted in this guys head, that he needs an AK? Oh, that must be dipshits like AR-15 and the rest of ya.
Moron. Happy?
This guy got all pissed off by ranting on the internet and being convinced his life will end if he skateboards, instead of playing with a semi-auto AK.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.........with guns.
[quote]Ervin Lupoe, a father who was distraught over his and his wife's job losses, has killed his 5 children, his wife and himself in Wilmington, a Los Angeles suburb, today.
Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner said the man killed his wife, an 8-year-old girl, twin 5-year-old daughters and twin 2-year-old sons.
Although no one knows if he sent it before or after the killings, the man had faxed a 2 page letter to KABC-TV, a Burbank-based station. In the letter, Lupoe claimed the hospital supervisor who canned him told him, "You should have blown your brains out."
The couple, who both worked for Kaiser Permanente as X-Ray technicians and were both fired recently, were in financial dire straights.
Three of the Lupoe children were pulled out of public school 2 weeks ago.[/quote]
Regular man, who works in Hospital, loses job, shoots wife and five children, with GUNS, after snapping.
But remember.....regular people don't snap. Onslaught told me so.
The Seattle man killed his wife, himself and his five children today.
[quote]Saturday, April 4, 2009
Last updated 9:14 p.m. PT
5 children, father found dead
SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF AND WIRE SERVICES
A father apparently shot to death five of his children, ages 7 to 16, at their mobile home in Pierce County and then killed himself near a casino miles away, police said Saturday.
The dead children were identified as four girls and a 7-year-old boy.
Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff, called it a domestic violence situation and a murder-suicide.
"We believe they all died of gunshot wounds," Troyer said.
Auburn police found the father, dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in his car near the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn, about 30 miles south of Seattle. Pierce County deputies checked the mobile home, which is about 20 miles southeast of the casino, and found four of the children dead in their beds and the fifth in the bathroom.
The home is in the 20400 block of 135th Avenue Court East, between Graham and Orting.
The mother of the victims was not at home, Troyer said.
He said investigators believe the husband and wife were not estranged.
"Clearly she's been very traumatized," Troyer told The News Tribune of Tacoma. "You kind of get hardened to seeing people who are killed because of their own bad actions. But these kids died through no fault of their own. This is something you never want to see."
The children attended school in Orting, according to The News Tribune.
One neighbor said he knew two of the children, the boy and a 9-year-old girl, but described the parents as "never really ... very social," even though they lived nearby.
Other neighbors described the parents as having a loud argument Friday night, after which the mother left the house alone.
Authorities weren't releasing names of the children or the father Saturday evening. The King County Medical Examiner's Office will perform an autopsy on the father, The News Tribune reported.
Troyer said investigators probably would continue to process the scene through the night.[/quote]
Normal people........never snap.
Last updated 9:14 p.m. PT
[b]A father apparently shot to death five of his children, ages 7 to 16[/b], at their mobile home in Pierce County and then killed himself near a casino miles away, police said Saturday.[/quote]
Guns don't kill people......people kill people..........with guns.
Cliche....i know.
that said, i am not with rob in thinking that everything under the sun, from celebrity deaths to antelope farts, is some sign or portent of political import. a tell in the quest for the true ideology... to figure out who is 'naturally weak'. heh. perhaps you are taking the ideologue battle a little too seriously, or un-seriously (on my view).
Gun-related deaths in the United States range from 25,000 to maybe 30,000 or so.
Year in, year out, over half of those deaths are suicides.
There are approximately 250 million guns in the hands of approximately 80 Americans. You do the math as to the gun-safety ratio.
Of the remainder, the vast bulk are gang-banger-related gun violence. Street thugs too young or too criminally-involved to have every legally possessed a firearm, much less use one.
Then there are the gun-related deaths by police in the performance of their duties and Defensive Gun Uses (DGU's) by armed citizens defending themselves and others against violent crimes, such as assault, rape or murder.
There are small numbers of anyone else normal snapping and going off the deep end.
[b]Approximately 90 percent of the Mass Public Shootings take place in areas where the Gun Control you love so much is already in place[/b]. Long Island Rail Road, Empire State Observation Deck, Stockton, Columbine, Jonesboro, Luby's Cafeteria, Va-Tech and so forth.
One common thread between a lot of the mass public shootings is that the shooter had a mental health history. Many were on prescribed medications, SSRI's or Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, such as Ritalin, Prozac, Luvoc and so on. (look up [b]Kids, Drugs, Guns and Psychopolitics[/b])
On the other hand, we have the Constitution which forbids the Government from infringing the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms.
I know you give the Constitution extremely short shrift, so allow me to take a moment to say FUCK YOU --- YOU ARROGANT, NON-SERVING SHITSTAIN.
(Ahem)
Now on the other hand, when governments hold all the guns, the history is clear -- you get Police States.
Governments, since you haven't been paying attention have slaughtered not 10's of thousands of people, not hundred's of thousands, not millions of people by [url=http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM]HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS[/url] of innocent people.
[url=http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM][IMG]http://i44.tinypic.com/2lshcfb.gif[/IMG][/url]
The vast majority of Death By Government has been committed by Totalitarian, Statist regimes, where only the government has guns.
The Founders, way back before [url=http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=13]December 15, 1791[/url], when the Bill of Rights was ratified, the Second Amendment being one of those rights, would not have been able to know that almost 200 years into the future, governments would be slaughtering citizens at such a horrendous rate. Yet they foresaw the possibility and wrote the Second Amendment to forestall the possibility in the United States.
They DIDN'T want the government to have all the guns. In fact, they feared even a standing army. We were just supposed to have universal militia service and no standing army. Even after winning the Revolutionary War, they still distrusted a permanent army and wanted to ensure that it remained small and that the citizens would be able to kick its ass in the event the government forgot who was supposed to be in charge.
[quote]The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate extent, upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan, [b]it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens[/b]. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
[b][url=http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa29.htm]Federalist 29, Concerning the Militia[/url][/b], Alexander Hamilton (1788) [/quote]
God, you are a huge fucking 'Tard.
Robs argument is a strawman. Nobody from the left is arguing that gun laws prevent gun violence, just reduce it. And nobody is arguing for a ban on all guns, just "assault rifles".
Huh??? What did you smoke?
[quote]There are small numbers of anyone else normal snapping and going off the deep end.[/quote]
Well, wake up to a new reality. Those statistics are changing....daily. Two very serious incidents today. One enormous one, yesterday.
You were saying?
[quote]On the other hand, we have the Constitution which forbids the Government from infringing the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms.
I know you give the Constitution extremely short shrift, so allow me to take a moment to say FUCK YOU--- YOU ARROGANT, NON-SERVING SHITSTAIN.[/quote]
I am not in favor a total ban on guns, you dope. And I your little attacks on my lack of serving in uniform is meaningless as I work with the DOD, and Federal Government in my line of work.
Having looked a war fighter in the eye and thanking him for his service to his country, only to have him thank me for mine is more than enough validation of the service I offer my country....on a daily basis.
And I am no more arrogant than you are. But I am arrogant. Hell, I love me.
Oh wow.
Tell us something we don't already know.
Oh yes, thanks for ensuring the USO has enough paper cups on a monthly basis.
Or, were you talking about how you are servicing all those sailors as they pull into Pearl Harbor?
You know, when they play like they are the Battleship Arizona and you blow them out of the water?
Well, he did say he made 3 grand on some pier somewhere.
You guys have pussy envy. Don't hate the player...hate the game boys.
[b]On the average, murder rates in states without concealed-carry laws are 127% higher than in states having the broadest carry laws.[/b]
The United States has a population of 270,000,000, and 85%,000 to 750,000 people are in law enforcement. It is not believable that each law enforcement officer can protect 360 to 450 people from violent criminals or answer every 911 call before the criminal fires a gun.
The sheer number of guns and gun owners in America makes gun control far more unrealistic than Prohibition. [b]At least 80 million Americans own about 250 million guns[/b], and [b]about 99% of gun-owners obviously handle their guns responsibly or we would have many more accidents. [/b]
-- [b][url=http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2000/june00/psrjune2000.html]The Media Campaign Against Gun Ownership[/url][/b] (06/2000)
[/quote]
See also:
[quote][b]Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense.[/b] Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year--or about 6,850 times a day.1
[b]This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.[/b]
[b][url=http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm]Gun Control Fact-Sheet 2004 [/url]/ From Gun Owners Foundation [/b]
[/quote]
I don't smoke.
Seriously, if you didn't play the relentless fucktard all the time, you wouldn't attract this much abuse.
As it is, you seriously deserve abuse and I happen to have a little time on my hands.
Lucky you.
It's really been fun ragging on you [i]L'il Kahuna[/i], but I'm plumb tuckered out and am going to turn in.
You just be sure to write some more outrageously Leftard stuff for me to work with while I'm gone, y'hear?
(3) Policemen would be able to provide for their families tonight, if this kids family just gave him a skateboard, instead of an AK-47.
Who in the hell planted in this guys head, that he needs an AK? Oh, that must be dipshits like AR-15 and the rest of y[/quote]
2 of the 3 cops were killed with his pistol not his AK,same as the cops in Oak. That doesn't make it better but it makes you look like more of an idiot for lying again.
I have never told anyone they "need" an AK-47 dipshit. It's just like every other gun, it's your choice to buy one if you like it. I'd recommend an AR platform rifle instead.
I'm still waiting for you to respond to this you asshole.
[quote]I have never heard ONE legitimate reason why I don't need an AR. Your "need argument is the same one Rebecca Peters used to start the gun confiscation in Australia. It's the same thing they said in England and Ireland as well. One ban will lead to another.
The #1 gun used in homicides in America is the .38 revolver not an autoloader. I suppose you think we "need" to ban them now?[/quote]
[quote]I am not in favor a total ban on guns, you dope[/quote]
And what exactly do you think banning certain types of guns would do except piss off millions of gun owners? It isn't going to reduce gun crime and you know it. Banning AW's is nothing more than a feel good ban for you Libs and the sheeple.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expand...
Note less than 500 homicides from rifles, that includes bolt,lever,pump, single, and assault rifles Hanni. Don't believe me? send them an email and read the FBI's response.
Do you want to ban knives since they killed almost 1,800 people? Thats WAY more dangerous than any assault rifle.
I know you won't have an intelligent answer to these facts because it's impossible to do so. That is, even if you try to spew out your leftwing horseshit response.
2008 North Dakota firearms homicides, ZERO. 54% of ND citizens own guns, including THOUSANDS of AR & AK platform rifles and semi-auto pistols. According the "the brady campaign on gun violence" we in ND have dangerously lax gun control laws. LMAO!!!!!
The rest of America should follow ND's gun control laws. We are a PERFECT model for NOT banning any guns. The only people I can think of that were ever killed by a so called AW in ND were the US Marshals who wanted to take away Gordon Kahl's guns in 1983. I believe that AW was a Ruger mini 14. I was only 12 then so I might be wrong.
Anyway, choke on those little facts as well Hanni, you lying prick.
[quote]2 of the 3 cops were killed with his pistol not his AK,same as the cops in Oak. That doesn't make it better but it makes you look like more of an idiot for lying again.[/quote]
Here is a hint for you bud. The sentence says that these people would be alive, had the right wing kook not been convinced he needed his AR-15. He killed the cops because he believed Obama was going to enact a gun law.
So that means he shot them, because he was enraged about his rights being infringed upon.
And that means, someone got him riled up. Now who could that have been? People like you maybe?
So.....and read my sentence again please.....if this guy wasn't so attached to his AK-47, and instead cared more about his skateboard, he wouldn't be upset about losing a stupid gun, that he doesn't need in the first place?
Got it now? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
[quote]I have never told anyone they "need" an AK-47 dipshit. It's just like every other gun, it's your choice to buy one if you like it. I'd recommend an AR platform rifle instead.[/quote]
Mmmmkay, but have you ever said that I am an asshole because I am taking your rights away, or pissing all over your right to have an AK??? I think so.
And why did he kill? Because he thought his rights are being infringed upon.
[quote]I have never heard ONE legitimate reason why I don't need an AR.[/quote]
OK, here is one; You can use another gun to accomplish what your AR does for you. You use it to hunt, right? Use another gun that has better weight balance distribution.
ARs are only good for one thing.....having lots of accessories attached to it, for killing people effectively and being light and maneuvering quickly in close quarters combat.
[quote]It's an awesome weapon, designed uniquely for the dense jungles of Vietnam. Lightweight and easy to shoot, with it's 30 round magazine and high velocity .223 Ammuntion, the M-16/AR-15 is the ultimate Close Quarter Combat weapon!! Able to cut through dense underbrush as well as everyday walls of drywall or stucco. It even penetrates steel. No one can hide from this gun. In this video, Lenny Magill demonstrates and discusses how to use the AR-15 for tactical self-defense. You'll learn how to use and understand the AR-15 sights for CQC shooting, how to point shoot with this gun at distances of 5 to 50 yards, tactical self-defense shooting positions with and without cover, how to shoot on the move, entering the "ways" of death...hallways, doorways and stairways. Plus, see an impressive display of self-defense shooting & the incredible power of the AR-15.[/quote]
[url=http://www.booktrail.com/Video_Shooting/AR-15 Close Quarter Combat.asp]There[/url], now you have several reasons.
2008 North Dakota firearms homicides, ZERO. 54% of ND citizens own guns, including THOUSANDS of AR & AK platform rifles and semi-auto pistols. According the "the brady campaign on gun violence" we in ND have dangerously lax gun control laws. LMAO!!!!![/quote]
And? There are other reasons that explain this. There are a multitude of reasons.
I already went over this with Bullshtinkle. He was humiliated and ran away for a couple months after that argument.
Here...[url=http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_americans_killed_in_obamas_hometown_in_2008_than_iraq/#c393080]have a read[/url]. lMAO.
[quote][quote][b]What say you to the consistent finding that there is an inverse relationship to Citizens bearing arms and violent crime (see the links and excerpts related above) ?
[/b]
We'll see if you are open to facts, or fixated on the concepts that denying that an armed citizen is safer than an unarmed citizen, and that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one enshrined in the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.[/quote]
What i say to the findings is that people see what they want. Look below and find a contradiction to your argument. Armed citizens in Texas City are less safe then citizens in San Francisco. How do you explain that?
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Te...
[quote]Texas CITY violent crime rate per capita is 1.49 time the national average,
2.39 times the national average for Forcible rape.
1.27 times the national average for Robbery
2.86 times the national average for Aggravated Assault.[/quote]
And IF I am not mistaken, Texas City and State has the right to shoot people for defending their property and their neighbors property.....right?[/quote]
and...
[quote]Statistics: [url=http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/more_americans_killed_in_obamas_hometown_in_2008_than_iraq/#c393080]Gun Violence in Our Communities[/url]
School Safety
Less than 1% of all homicides among school-aged children (5-19 years of age) occur in or around school grounds or on the way to and from school. (Centers for Disease Control, 1997)
[b]Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week[/b]. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
[b]America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan,[/b] 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
Guns in the Wrong Hands
Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)[/quote]
But since some of us who know you are [b]habitually dishonest[/b], I followed your link to your self, back to a link to the NEA. (Wow. [i]There's[/i] an unbiased source! /sarcasm). The link they used from 1997 "Center for Disease Control" results in a "Page not found". (I can see where [i]that[/i] argument convinced you! /sarcasm) Now, the last time I checked, gunshots are not a "disease", though some liberals, who want to ban guns, (NEA, CDC, HCI, etc.)are trying to use this as a back door to accomplish what they can't do through the courts and the legislatures.
Also overlooked by your uncritical eye, Wankertized, is the fact that "kids" as old as [b]19[/b] in the one study you cited were "killed by gunfire". How many of these "kids" were gangbangers and drug dealers, who likely would have violated any new or existing gun laws?
Your statistics (the ones we can actually examine) are overinflated for the purposes of banning guns. If you really were a "gun lover" instead of a preening poseur, you would not be so easily duped by the propaganda of the anti-gun Left.
I thought he worked for "a utility".
There you can find a long, laundry list of talking points for Obama and the Democrats.
Here's what they (laughingly) say about themselves:
[quote]Third Way is a non-profit, non-partisan think tank.[/quote]Snort! [i]Non-partisan?[/i] Yeah. Right!
And I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you...
[quote]I thought he worked for the Govt.[/quote]
If you click on his name, his bio says
[quote]Occupation IT Consulting[/quote]
Personally, I don't think you can trust [i]anything[/i] he says!
Googles in vain for some statistic, [i]any[/i] statistic to bolster his weak, inept and wooly-headed arguments about gun control,
uncritically grabs and accepts as gospel the first thing he finds that [i]might[/i] support his position,
without ever bothering to [b]check the source[/b] of whatever drivel he posts!
Good God!
I was only kidding about [b]posting more stupidity[/b], but I check in and --- [i]voila!![/i] --- [i]L'il Kahuna[/i] stupidity staring me right in the face.
You [i]still[/i] on about Texas City?
You had to do some [i]incredibly selective[/i] cherry-picking to find anything to support your BS proposition, and used it.
But you had to ignore studies that covered the entire United States, every county for almost 20 years ([url=http://books.google.com/books?id=K6dIvTFsDMkC&dq=lott+mustard+u+chicago+study+more+guns+less+crime&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=cOnYSdmLAZW7twfInKnhDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4]Lott Mustard U. Chicago study[/url]) and studies that detailed [url=http://www.gunsandcrime.org/dgufreq.html]2.5 million defensive gun uses by armed citizens[/url] (on average) year in, year out (Kleck, I believe)
Obviously it's not just the hair gel and cologne that gets you dates, [b]it's the habitual lying.[/b]
Dude, [b]honesty starts with being honest with yourself[/b]. If you ever hope to become an adult, you have to start to look at the world objectively.
I'm trying to help you out here.
But lying to yourself and others because it challenges one of your earlier assumptions, or because of even a baser reason -- it'll make you have to admit that you were wrong -- means you have not grown up.
Didn't you watch TV back in the day when Bud on [i]Flipper[/i], or the Beav on [i]Leave it to Beaver[/i] or even Opie, lied at the beginning of the program?
They spent most of the program getting into worse trouble trying to cover for the growing lie. But Bud, Beav and Opie all ended up the program learning [i]it's better not to fib and it is better to tell the truth. [/i]
It's the grown-up thing to do.
Damn son, you're stuck in the Bad-Beav mode.
Snap out of it!
Grow up already!
From the About Us section of the website he linked "Guns and Crime".
[quote]Guns make it easier to kill and injure people. Therefore, it is obvious to the most casual observer that reducing the prevalence of guns will reduce the prevalence of death and injury.
But, what about people who aren't just "casual observers"? [b]As with many issues, if a person cares enough about the issues of violence and liberty[/b] to actually make the effort of getting all the relevant facts about gun possession, things are no longer so obvious. [b]And there are a lot of really technical facts related to the costs and benefits, to us all, of private citizens possessing firearms.[/b][/quote]
How about that...if you care about liberty, you can spin shit to make your argument.
My link says a non-partisan organization, yours argues for liberty and how neat guns are.
Heh.
What a douche.
Dude, honesty starts with being honest with yourself. If you ever hope to become an adult, you have to start to look at the world objectively.[/quote]
Seriously brother, stop. You are a douche. You have to ignore reality to ignore the facts that in Texas and the City of Texas City, they have laws that allow their citizens to shoot people for stealing property. Not just their own, mind you, but their neighbors as well.
Now, with that said, and included your argument, that guns make us safer. Shouldn't Texas City be safe heavens? Yes. But guess what? They are not. Rape, theft, Murder and a whole host of things occur in greater number than in SF.
And please. You are making cause and effect with out looking at other factors. Crime is an affect of culture, climate, economic situation as well as a host of other factors.
Trying to make causation from a few statistics is dishonest. I use the statistics to show you facts, which proves your theory wrong. You use your facts to make causation, and that is different.
A mature adult understands how to use statistics. You are breaking that rule by trying to create causation. That is immature and dishonest.
Further, if what you say was a reality, Texas City statistics could not exist....but they do. So that proves your theory wrong.
I never argue that gun control ELIMINATES CRIME.....I argue that IT REDUCES IT. There is no way to prove what was prevented.
And then you go on about gel and my dating life......all while pretending you are the more mature guy.
Lastly, statistics change everyday. Trends are changing. More people are murdering others in massacres with guns. I can show you a statistic that US massacres occur over 90% of the time with the use of guns...you can't do that with other methods.
You are a schmuck. And finally, for the first time in a like a month...the wink is backing off and there are waves on the North Shore.
I would love to continue making a fool of you, but I gotta get in the water man.
[quote]I gotta go [i]play[/i] in the water. [/quote]
There! Fixed it for you!
[quote]A mature adult understands how to use statistics. [/quote]That leaves you out Han-job! Otherwise you would have known to double check what all those left-wing websites you were linking to were doing!
[quote]My link says a non-partisan organization[/quote]Just a reminder: Your link was to the NEA, a teacher's union, and wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.
Not sure how you accomplished it, but you seem to [i]type[/i] with a lisp.
Obviously you have learned nothing. Maybe you don't have that capability.
RE: Texas City???
Still zooming in on what may be an exception in the much larger truth (all counties of the USA over a 19 year period and you dwell on [i]Texas City?[/i])
Have you ever considered that the mini crimewave might be caused in large part by McCain's buddies who have become bored fucking up their own country and now they have infiltrated North and are in the process of fucking up America? And specifically Texas City?
If you are going to dwell on one town out of all of the rest of America, I challenge you to buttress your arguments and give us the nationality of the victims and the criminals in that little statistical blip, if indeed it is a statistical blip.
Somehow I doubt your vast experience selling instruments and being an IT consultant (which evidently hasn't assisted in your hotlinking skills) allows you to make a logical connection between an anomalous crime statistic and illegal immigration.
Oh BTW, gunlocks or no, if you don't have a Class III stamp and are in possession of Class III weapons your surfing days might be a tad curtailed.
Y'all be careful.
[quote]Now, with that said, and included your argument, that guns make us safer. Shouldn't Texas City be safe heavens? Yes. But guess what? They are not. Rape, theft, Murder and a whole host of things occur in greater number than in SF.[/quote]
Yeah, but if you correct for the death-by-diseased-dicks in SF, their death stats blow Texas City's out of the water (no pun intended)
Let's see your work on how many of those gun-related deaths in Texas City are legal homicides incurred in self-defense.
You can distinguish between a legal homicide and an illegal homicide can't you?
You might be incapable, since you can't distinguish between a female butt and a male butt for dating purposes.
Hey, you lying cockgobbler, you didn't humiliate and I didn't run away. Ther was a death in my family and I went overseas to the funeral and had no internet access. I'm still there but got a satellite installed and have access now.
Once again, you're using wishful thinking. That's what happens when lying assholes like you decide that your Marxist opinion is fact.
Maybe if you had relatives that you cared for and cared for you (fags don't have any relatives that'll even admit they are related) you'd understand things like that.
Now go suck a bucket full of dicks, lying asshole.
If anyone should be humiliated it should be you. I've proven you to be a lying piece of shit so many times you should have buried your face in a pillow long, long ago.
Visit a site dedicated toward Long Island gun Owners;
www.LongIslandFirearms.com
Obama's the one who convinced him, I posted OBAMA'S record and comments on guns earlier you fucking POS. Your sentence said he was convinced he "needed' and AK not an AR-15, go look you buttfuck.
[quote]OK, here is one; You can use another gun to accomplish what your AR does for you. You use it to hunt, right? Use another gun that has better weight balance distribution.[/quote]
Better weight balance? Please you idiot! My AR's do what other guns do, only better. Why would I want some long ass barreled bolt gun when I can carry a nice short,reliable, accurate, and more comfortable to shoot AR? I said legitimate reason fuck face, not your ignorant opinion.
[quote] see an impressive display of self-defense shooting & the incredible power of the AR-15.[/quote]
Thanks Hanni. Yet another reason I "need" an AR-15 to defend my family with instead of a bolt rifle,shotgun or pistol.
[quote]One more for you Hanni and I know you'll love this.
2008 North Dakota firearms homicides, ZERO. 54% of ND citizens own guns, including THOUSANDS of AR & AK platform rifles and semi-auto pistols. According the "the brady campaign on gun violence" we in ND have dangerously lax gun control laws. LMAO!!!!!
And? There are other reasons that explain this. There are a multitude of reasons.[/quote]
Really asshole? ONE MORE TIME DUMMY! ZERO gun homicides in 2008. What part of ZERO and no gun control/bans doesn't register in your pot filled brain? You must be the most ignorant stupid mother fucker I've ever heard of. WOW!!!
the guy in PA had an AK type rifle and a couple of pistols... but he had been dishonorably discharged from the military and had a past of domestic violence charges... it was illegal for him to even touch a gun let alone own them...
The guy in Oakland had a long history of felony criminal activity... it was illegal for him to touch a gun... he was a parolee that should have never been let out of prison...
the guy in NC killed 8 people with a bolt action rifle with no scope... a gun that has never been the subject of any gun bans... his ex-wife said that he was violent during their marriage... if she had pressed charges, he would have been unable to legally own guns... oh and by the way, the man that stopped him used a gun to do so...
the father in WA had been put on a "parenting plan" after he committed a "minor assault" on one of his children in 2007... had WA state officials actually pressed criminal charges, he would have been unable to legally own a gun...
since these people had already decided to break the law that makes murder illegal... what law would have stopped them? the laws that made it illegal for them to own guns sure as hell didnt do any thing.
[quote]You don't need a semi-automatic assault rifle./quote]
since when does need have anything to do with it?
i dont need a Porsche but i would like one... i dont need a million dollars, but i would like one... and since i am a responsible and law abiding citizen, there should be no restrictions on what property i can own so long as i can afford it... and much to some people's dismay, that includes firearms of all sorts...
hell, legally there is nothing that prevents me from buying a fully functional tank with live ammo... all i have to do is be able to afford it and the related tax stamps and fill out some paperwork...
Thanks Hanni. Yet another reason I "need" an AR-15 to defend my family with instead of a bolt rifle,shotgun or pistol.[/quote]
Yeah, then, when the police come for your inability to control your flying rages, you are prepared to snap and fight the SWAT team for 30 minutes, turning your niece American neighborhood into a war zone.
[quote]The mother told police her son (Poplawksi) had been stockpiling guns and ammunition "because he believed that as a result of economic collapse, the police were no longer able to protect society," the affidavit said.[/quote]
See where that line of thinking gets you?
Wally and Beaver never had guns, neither did their father.
[i]He feared an Obama gun grab? Gee, I wonder where he could have heard that?[/i]
[IMG]http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp339/Hannitized2/7617dl.jpg[/IMG]
[i]Indeed, a story replete with NRA-style fearmongering about the looming "grab" -- which has been fueling a run on guns at local shops -- ran just three days ago in the Pittsburgh Tribune.
[b]We've been reporting for awhile on the surge in gun sales, and how the paranoia around guns is making the more unstable elements of the right particularly edgy. Inevitably, that edginess is going to break out into actual violence[/b] -- as it appears to have done today.
Ironically, this is exactly the kind of incident that law-enforcement intelligence-gathering is supposed to help prevent --[b] intelligence like the Missouri State Patrol report so hysterically attacked by these same paranoid right-wingers. I tried to explain at the time that these kinds of extremists are in fact a very real danger to people in law enforcement, but all anyone on the right wanted to talk about was Ron Paul bumper stickers.[/b] Well, there you go.
My new book is looking more timely all the time. We'll have an announcement about it Monday.[/i]
Heh!
How do you like your statistics now Peaches?
You liberals and your old and tired "snap" shit. 90+ million gun owners don't "snap" everyday, so quit with your attempts to "preemptive strike gun owners". You didn't agree with Bush doing it in Iraq, so give it up, it won't work on guns. If anyone seems like they'll go into a "flying rage" it would be an irrational person like you Hanni.
[quote]He feared an Obama gun grab? Gee, I wonder where he could have heard that?[/quote]
Right here Hanni. I posted this earlier but you conveniently disregarded it. Like you always do on guns when I slap the taste out of your mouth concerning them.
[quote]http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm[/quote]
[quote]The shootings of today, are just the tip of the iceberg, according to Fox News pundits[/quote]
But you said before, FOX NEWS is nothing but a bunch of right wing liars? How convenient for you to believe them now....you fucking hypocrite!
I love them cream and in case you missed it..... ND 54% gun ownership. thousands of assault rifle owners. Little to no gun control. Z.E.R.O. gun homicides in 2008!!!
You, in turn, have ZERO recourse for that FACT. Go fucking choke on it AGAIN you liberal dick weasel.
Not if in the hands of a law abiding citizen! I say we have one less asshole!