DISQUS

robert108 · 2 years ago

Hate crime is thought crime. Welcome to 1984.

Zsa Zsa · 2 years ago

Rob...I understand what you are saying. I agree to a point. I have never understood how affirmative action makes it OK to discriminate against white males? BUT in Houston a young teen male was brutally attacked by some other teen males. The kid was beaten and they stuck a broom stick up is a**. AND then was lit on fire! The last I heard he lived??? It was obviously a hate crime that deserved the most strict of penalties if you ask me...

Robert Perry · 2 years ago

Actually, I'd say this crime should lead to a change in the law. What we have here--even apart from the gay aspect--is cold blooded murder with many witnesses. In states like Texas or Florida, the killer would most likely get the death penalty.

Michigan does not have a death penalty. I think it should.

Zsa Zsa · 2 years ago

I really agree with you, Rob. I just don't understand how the Law takes exception for a crime like I described because those young men who commited the crime, were teens at the time??? So what!

The Whistler · 2 years ago

The juvenile justice system was meant to give mildly delinquent teens a fresh start when they become adults. I think we can agree that's worthwhile.

Why ruin a persons life because they were involved in minor crimes such as pot smoking, minor theft etc.

But the system doesn't work when you have juveniles committing major crimes like murder or violent rape.

They should be punished as an adult.

Zsa Zsa · 2 years ago

Whistle, I do agree with minor crimes. That is why Laws need to be very carefully worded...

likwidshoe · 2 years ago

Every one of the Dems supporting this is a cultural Marxist socialist. This, the separating of different classes all assigned special rights, is what cultural Marxism is all about folks.

Neiman · 2 years ago

[b]Hate crime laws are always insidious in nature[/b], while some might in the heat of the moment or because of the serious, brutal nature of the crime tend towards the most extreme penalties possible, thus supporting the idea and enforcement of hate crimes laws, these laws represent a clear infringment upon our free speech and I believe represent a clear and present danger to our freedom.

Yes, often the speech of extremists can be vile, racist, sexist and offensive in the extreme; but if the extremists are not protected in their speech (not actions), then are any of us safe? In Europe and Canada we have seen hate crimes laws used to suppress religious speech, even in the pulpit. In this country two bills are now pending before the Congress that place criminal penalties even upon ministers of the Gospel using Scriptute, if for instance, those passages condemn homosexual conduct, because such words are hate speech and punishable under law.

Well, that's okay, we have already told Christians in America that they are not free to use the public square if their intent is to promote their faith in any manner, shape or form. So, this hate crimes evil not only infringes upon the Free Speech of every American, it also infringes upon freedom of religious worship. If we do not oppose hate crimes laws, next, maybe we can see some thing precious to every other American criminalized. If good men do not speak up, then the evil of undermining all our basic liberties through hate crimes laws could well be at stake.

Move_Zig · 2 years ago

Ah yes, the Bloody Shirt, the case of Outrage which helps to ram through Bad Law in a time of inattention and in the absence of serious reflection as to the unintended consequences such laws actually might have -- (think also, if those effects were [i]actually intended, but camouflaged in neutral terms[/i]).

I have to agree with my fellow posters above, to the point that it sounds like a chorus of [i]huzzah huzzah[/i]s, or [i]hear hear[/i]s in a Nivenesque gentlemen's smoking club.

Neiman · 2 years ago

Move_Zig: Sometimes I have a hard time following your syntax (the ordering of and relationship between the words and other structural elements in phrases and sentences.). It took me three tries to get this one!

Harry L · 2 years ago

I agree wholeheartedly. What difference does the motive
make when someone commits a crime? It makes punishment for misdeeds arbitrary.

Robert Perry · 2 years ago

It turns out that the man actually died of natural causes, not assault at all.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...

The Whistler · 2 years ago

Thanks for the update. Obviously that was a hate disease and must be punished more severely.