DISQUS

Hoodlumman · 2 years ago

Clearly Mr. Carrick here is a neo-con hack that's paid off by Big Oil.

I feel like I've omitted a talking point.

A little help...

FlyOnTheWall · 2 years ago

Big tobacco Jews?

Blackwater in the illegal war ... CIA operatives ...

losing steam here.

Hoodlumman · 2 years ago

No doubt. We need some sort of Cliffs Notes for this crap...

FlyOnTheWall · 2 years ago

christian fundamentalist Taliban rethuglican bushitler lying lobotomized bots!

A little visit to Democratic Underground starts the love flowing.

physics geek · 2 years ago

So instead of a hockey stick, we've now got the Big W. Maybe I should be looking under it for something precious, like a copy of An Inconvenient Truth that someone has set fire to. After all, it's getting cold outside.

The Whistler · 2 years ago

[quote]we've now got the Big W.[/quote]

Short for Whistler.

Pilgrim · 2 years ago

Heh. Great post, Carrick.

Not that these incovenient facts will sway the gorebots from their fervant belief in Gore's Incovenient Truth. There are fingers in ears and lalalalala I can't hear you about this right now.

Facts are such tiresome things, aren't they?

The Whistler · 2 years ago

By the way, chop off all but the last 500 years or so off that chart. That's what the alarmists keep doing.

When you look at it that way it sure does make it look significant.

But when you look at the trend for a few thousand years you'll see that we aren't seeing anything at all unusual.

The Whistler · 2 years ago

The other thing is that even this graph has been set up to really highligh small differences. From the highest to the lowest part of the graph isn't really much more than one degree.

Around here the temperature changes that much ever 5 minutes.

robert108 · 2 years ago

I blame Bush for the good weather.

Good research, Carrick.

Carrick · 2 years ago

Whistler:

By the way, chop off all but the last 500 years or so off that chart. That's what the alarmists keep doing.

That or they end up with a crazy horizontal line like Mann's hockey stick. Proof that the Earth really is static and unchanging, and the Greeks were right. ;-)

The other thing is that even this graph has been set up to really highligh small differences. From the highest to the lowest part of the graph isn't really much more than one degree.

That's an excellent point. Getting it accurate to 1°C across 2000 years using these proxy methods is pretty challenging. Really the span of predictions among the different reconstructions could be used to estimate just how uncertain the reconstructions really are.

2Hotel9 · 2 years ago

Carrick! Wait. Are you trying to tell us that during the long, warm period it was warmer? Or that during the long, warm period it was warmer? I'm is confused! The Goreacle said it has never been warmer than it is now and is going to be in 23,,no,,34,,,,no,,,18, ah hell, some number of years some time in the not to distant far future.

The Goreacle wouldn't lie to us! And Ted Danson(noted climatologowissy dowacky) said in 1988 the oceans were going to die and all life be wiped out in 10 years, so we got what, like 5-6 years left before we die. Hell with it! Lets party.

dontubeleevit · 2 years ago

An interesting article on Mann and his data..

http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/070313goodprint.html

jeff · 2 years ago

Clearly this data has been created by the military industrial complex with cooperation from Big Oil.
Global Warming is a fact, not a theory. I know because Al Gore tells me so.
He says there is no debate. He told me that polar bears are dying, ice caps are melting, we are all going to drown, and the only thing we can do to fix it is feed him jelly donuts, stop flying, discontinue use of refrigerators and air conditioning, exterminate farting cows, go vegan, stop driving, stop going to the grocery store, lose weight, and buy carbon credits so he can continue to fuel his private jets, SUV entourages, and heat and cool his enormous home. Oh, I almost forgot - he also wants me to live in a smaller house.
You shills are all bought and paid for by big oil and have been brainwashed by Bush and Cheney.
Without a scientific consensus, there is no scientific truth. The greenies have tested and re-tested their data. They don't want to show it to you because you would only lie about how the computer models are flawed, having been calibrated to produce the results they wanted. That's just not going to fly!
Listen, if smart people like Leonardo DiCaprio believe in global warming, who the hell are you to question it?
That's just unpatriotic!

Dennis W. Welch · 2 years ago

Human derived Global Warming is a scam. Al Gore was doomed to go down in history as that poor slob that lost the presidency because he couldn't even carry his home state's voters. He needs some other legacy to be remembered by. His phony facts and pseudo-science cannot be supported by scientific evidence. Whenever some of his crap is refuted, they (the "warmers" ) attack the messenger. The earth is heating up slightly in a multi-thousand year cycle that has repeated itself since the mesozoic era. We didn't cause it and we can't stop it. If Gore and the Gorites want to believe man is causing climate change, then to what do they attribute the current warming trend seen on planet Mars- little tiny Martians all driving around in miniature Hummers?

jeff · 2 years ago

we all know that Mars is heating because of mmgw (martian made global warming).
Martians run their heating and a/c all the time and drive gas guzzling SUV's everywhere, further feeding the interplanetary big oil companies. The worst part of it all is that the biggest oil producers in the galaxy are some of the worst terrorists in the universe. The Saturnians are at the center of the axis of evil. George Bush knows all about this and is part of the problem, not the solution, having supported Saturns regime change, installing an oppressive dictator who pretended to be interested in democracy.
We need to open a universal dialogue with the Saturnians, accept them as they are without judging their behaviors, and keep Bush from declaring war on Saturn, which is inevitable as he has been setting this up for years.
Bush lied, Saturnians died.

Cody · 2 years ago

Like, dude... everyone knows that mars wasn't heating until the corporations sent a rover there ... its been spewing man-made CO2 ever since. It only takes one.

Lawrence Hughes · 2 years ago

The Martian Global Warming is obviously caused by the (MAN MADE) rovers we sent there. Oh wait - those are solar powered.... NEVERMIND!

Half Elf · 2 years ago

[quote]Without a scientific consensus, there is no scientific truth. [/quote]
Facts are not dependent upon consensus.
If we only needed a consensus the planet would still be flat, and located in the center of the universe. Copernicus was excommunicated from the catholic church for the heresy of suggesting that we were not the absolute center of it all.
I am really curious why the temperature on Mars is increasing at the same rate as Terran temperature, and my SUV has never been there.

docdave · 2 years ago

In related stories, South America experienced their coldest winter in around 100 years. Even Buenos Aires had snow. Also, the UK recently had one of their earliest snowfalls. Yep, extreme global warming is just around the corner.

The Whistler · 2 years ago

Carrick I've heard that we've actually been static or even cooling the last 3 years?

Any basis for that?

Bat One · 2 years ago

[quote]In related stories, South America experienced their coldest winter in around 100 years.[/quote]

I believe the same is true for just about the entire southern hemisphere, including South Africa, and Australia, both of which experienced unusually severe winters.

Carrick · 2 years ago

Whistler:

Carrick I've heard that we've actually been static or even cooling the last 3 years?

No, but the global mean temperature has been pretty much stable since 1998. That is the last ten years globally have not exhibited significant global warming (for example the global mean temperature was -0.03°C cooler than 1998).

The Whistler · 2 years ago

[quote]That is the last ten years globally have not exhibited significant global warming (for example the global mean temperature was -0.03°C cooler than 1998).[/quote]

Oh I'd call that a trend. OK Seriously isn't that a huge problem for those proving manmade global warming?

It seems to me since CO2 concentrations are higher now then 1998 that would blow away their entire theory.

Carrick · 2 years ago

Whistler:

It seems to me since CO2 concentrations are higher now then 1998 that would blow away their entire theory.

If the theory is that the only reason the temperature is increasing is because there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, that's true.

If you force them to admit that the Sun plays a role, then they are in immediate trouble of course. Because first we probably don't understand the full role that the Sun plays on climate, and we can't really say how much of the temperature increase is natural versus man-made.

The Whistler · 2 years ago

[quote]If the theory is that the only reason the temperature is increasing is because there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, that's true.[/quote]

That is in fact what they're saying, at least for public/political consumption.

Carrick · 2 years ago

Yep. I agree that's exactly what many of them are saying, even in technical publications. The same models that can't explain the warming trend from circa 1905-1945, the subsequent cooling to 1980, nail the period 1980-2000 (only because the temperature was increasing and so was the CO2), also cannot explain the relatively flat temperatures from 1998-current.

I think it is because the models are defective, personally.

The Whistler · 2 years ago

[quote]I think it is because the models are defective, personally.[/quote]

I don't know how any person can come up with any other conclusion given those facts.

I just read that science wasn't about consensus, but rather rigorous testing.

They've failed.