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Holden.
HOLDEN?
I picked out both names, in fact.
He was [i] hoping[/i] you'd name him "The Whistler"!
Clapton's ok, but I mostly just like the name.
[quote]He was hoping you'd name him "The Whistler"![/quote]
And condemn the kid to an adolescence full of wedgies, wet willies and noogies?
Never.
Well he did promise.
It is beyond my understanding how any rational human being would call that child a mass of tissue and a non-person; that is a rapidly developing, already human being and to me - overwhelming proof of incredibly complex design and I happen to think from the Perfect Designer.
Is just to love, and be loved in return"
Congratulations!
(and the names are fine, good names each)
BTW, I happen to be a girl who grew up with a name that guys taunted from puberty on ... you may want to prepare yourself for the evils of adolescent boys and the tears of a girl. :red:
Where did this very personal question come from?
Well yeah, I can see how one would say that. When you admit that it's a human being in the womb, it tends to be "anti-abortion" by the very nature of the admission.
...so I'm asking him a hypothetical...
I see you setting up a straw man and looking to play "gotcha!"
I don't see a problem with that.
Let me guess - you're an abortion supporter and you took offense to the "anti-abortion shot" (really just an admission of truth, but whatever).
You can ignore me all you like. I'm still going to point any logical fallacies you may make.
And, scientifically, that is not a human being in those pictures.
Then what is it?
a fetus.
Thank you in advance.
And we here at Sayanything ask that you pick one username and stick with it.
It's a human fetus which makes it a human being.
I shouldn't have to point out that obvious fact.
Yes you do. And you're dumb enough to use the same IP address.
Way to make a dumb assumption though...
"Assumption"? Same IP address, similar e-mail, comments one minute apart. No assumption.
...and way to avoid the topic.
Nobody is avoiding the topic.
So....is it a fetus or a human being?
False proposition. It's both. It's not an either/or question.
A human being and a fetus are not the same thing.
No kidding. Nobody here ever claimed that they were.
Let me help you out here since you obviously lack the logic to reason this one through: a human fetus is always a human being. A human being, by contrast, isn't necessarily also a fetus. That human being could be a baby, for example. Or a kid. Or an adult.
I was hoping you would know this. I overestimated your intelligence.
Who are you talking to besides your own straw man?
Now we can move on from the ugliness you have brought onto this thread.
Grr.. I leave for a few minutes and I miss the circus when it comes through.
BTW ... likwidshoe, Thank you! :)
No problem. I just don't like asshats who come through here and use multiple user names in order to bolster their own weak arguments. It's dishonest and it cheapens conversation.
Now if "roe" was clever, he would now try to bring up the fact that IP networks can be public, so therefore we really don't know if that was him commenting under a different name. Which is possible, just highly unlikely given the following reasons: this is a relatively small blog and it would be one hell of a coincidence for someone to be using the same public network, at the same small blog, at the same thread, commenting one minute apart, and with a similar e-mail address. "roe" would have us believe that this was all one giant coincidence!
This was just your typical asshattery from your typical abortion supporter. Their caustic nature transcends their positions and creeps into their behavior.
Layla: going for an Arabic name eh?
If you want an analogy, we consider the larval form of an insect a member of that same insect species. In the same way a developed human and a human fetus are both members of the human species.
So nice appeal to authority, but you're flat wrong.
A [i]human[/i] fetus is a [i]human[/i] being. You pro-abortionists always leave that vital detail out.
just kidding.
Congrats Rob
The technology is better now. Used to be they'd point at something random and say "There's his nose." and you were obliged to act like you saw it too.
[quote]Hector Peabody Port has a nice ring to it. [/quote]
It does kind of galumph across the tongue, doesn't it?
What I want in life is work I am proud to do. Enough money to pay my bills. Friends who will stick with me throught the good and the bad. And kids. When you have kids you are in league with God.
A quote from edie
If you have ever felt love and thought you could not possibly love anyone more Wait until you hold that child that you two have created. You will then just begin to know how vast love can be.
PS
Has anyone told you that when you bring him or her home from the hospital you have to keep it for 18-21 years. Scary ain't it?
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Unfortunately we can't ask the fetus, can we?
A human being and a fetus aren't the same thing? That is absolutely the stupidest thing I ever heard. What is it then, an inconvenience?
Oh, and by the way....ROE, or whatever you're choosing to call yourself. Try engaging on an intellectual level on this site instead of name calling. I'm REAL sure any number of people here will show your intellectual capacity for what it is. You already have, after all.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
And, boy, is your life about to change.
Roe,
[quote]So.....what if you and your wife were told that, due to medical complications, she could die during labor....would you get an abortion or risk it?[/quote]
That's a fair question. Personally, I think this situation could well be the only possible exception where abortion is a legitimate choice. It's hard to speak to medical hypotheticals, but if the doctor said that labor would kill my wife I think it's acceptable to make a choice in that instance. Just as an emergency room doctor, forced to make a choice between two trauma patients, has to choose to let one live and the other die.
But that, of course, is a much different situation than killing your unborn child because you don't want to accept the responsibility of raising it.
Well like I said, it's hard to speak to medical hypotheticals.
If the intent is to destroy the child's life, by a direct attack on the fetus, this is always wrong.
However, to save the mother's life, and in the process of saving the mothers life, the baby dies, this is acceptable. By surgically removal, It is an indirect and unfortunate, though necessary, consequence that the fetus will die.
The abortion issue is very touchy. Many of the reasons that you hear from pro aborts are:
1. Rape -- Yes there was a crime committed, but you want to end an innocent life?
2. Saving the mothers life -- A valid argument in some cases.
3. The child will have deformities -- Does this make it any less human, and do they not have a right to live?
Over 90% of abortions are not due to Pro Aborts arguments, look at the statistics, The vast majority of children are aborted because the parents don't want to be parents & the don't want to be inconvenienced.
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Oh Bunny, parenthood is so unpredictable... don't be too sure that you're prepared. Your little girl is an angel and has been since the day she arrived. This one might be a little different. Colic and stuff, ya know!
:red:
You were pretty perfect Bunny.
[quote]Carol, lol... I can never keep names straight anyway so, all kids are "hunny" to me (keeps me from looking too senile like when I call a child every name but the right one) [/quote]
I can't keep names straight either. I just calls them as I sees them. I don't know if you were in on the Bunny thing or not. But that's what I've called Rob. Sometimes I call him Mick. Depends on how I feel.
;-)
OMG ... Rob, I can't stop laughing ... nothing, and I mean NOTHING can prepare one for a life with a teenage daughter.
But, don't lose all hope .. I heard they now allow the internet on the psych ward and you can still keep in touch with us.
:)
[quote]
OMG ... Rob, I can't stop laughing ... nothing, and I mean NOTHING can prepare one for a life with a teenage daughter. [/quote]
Question are they supposed to reach their teens when they are 7 years old? Does that mean they'll exit the teen years early or am I just in for a hell of a ride?
Although every time I hear the name "Holden" I think of the main character in the
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catcher_in_the_Rye]worst novel ever written[/url].
Besides the fact that a choice between having a baby and the mother's life being at risk being rare; it is a terrible moral question that only the mother can answer. Many women throughout history have preferred to give life rather than protect their own, but if the woman thinks otherwise she alone must live with the decision. That is why a strong immediate and extended family, a minister and close friends are so much better at such times, there is strength in numbers (a multitude of counselors).
But in this one, I'm with him. That's your child, and if it's a "scrap of tissue", then so are we all. I wish both mother and child a safe pregnancy, and a trouble-free birth.
Congratulations to all concerned!
One thing though - you've got to promise to show us pictures after the birth. Ok, I got a triple dose of Maternal Instinct, but all the same, please post some.
Well, since I am the mother of this baby, (or alien... which ever you would like to call it so that it is easier for you to sleep at night by supporting the killing of human beings) I feel that I can accurately answer this question for anyone who is curious. If it was just my life in jeopardy and the baby would be fine then I would risk it for sure because, as someone mentioned, there are surgeries and things that they can do to try and help me after the fact, or c-section if needed. Now if they said that I will die and the baby will die, and I would get a second opinion to verify that, then I would consider ending my pregnancy. Consider it. But that still doesn't mean I would do it for sure. With medical science and technology advancing every day, it is hard to imagine a situation that this would even be relevant. So there you have it. :) And by the way since I AM the mother, and I AM having the baby, it is safe to say that this baby IS a BABY. Thanks! I don't like my child being called a non-human fetus creature thing.
How exactly did you come to this conclusion?? And why are you trying to get Rob out of something that he wants to be there for anyway?
You know that Rob will get distracted by everything anyway.
This has nothing to do with my personal beliefs that guys should wait in the waiting room or at a ball game or something.
Or since we're Norwegian it could be Ole or Lena!!