[quote]Fargo isn't nearly as densely populated as New Orleans[/quote]
And there was about 3 times as many people in New Orleans. Much more of New Orleans was affected than Fargo. New Orleans problems were compounded by a HURRICANE.
You're a piece of work.
Dino2
· 8 months ago
Sorry, there's about FIVES times more people in New Orleans.
Kidtransport
· 8 months ago
When you have dug your self into a hole dino, the first rule is "put down the shovel".
Mark
· 8 months ago
Maybe a "white" entertainer should go on primetime network TV and exclaim "Obama hates white people"!
Wasn't it West that said that? Can't remember for sure, but I remember watching it during a tv benefit for Katrina victims.
Carrick
· 8 months ago
Rob, if you want a "fairer" comparison, look at how Mississippi responded to Katrina compared to New Orleans.
Mark
· 8 months ago
West said that Bush hates white people, said it on national TV. Just wanted to clarify my post.
Mark
· 8 months ago
Whoops, another clarification. It should be Bush hates black people.
It is a Monday!
Gene
· 8 months ago
Your front page picture where's the big screen tv in the boat that they looted from the local wal mart. Isn't there supposed to be equal rights??
Dino2
· 8 months ago
Even bush White House insiders say that the administration's failures after Katrina were devastating to the idiot fratboy prez.
[url=http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/dec/31/nation/chi-katrina-bushdec31]Aides trace Bush's fall to 2005 storm[/url]
Of course things didn't get better considering he presided over the new Great Depression.
Mickey
· 8 months ago
New Orleans needed a good double flush
docdave
· 8 months ago
[quote]Rob, if you want a "fairer" comparison, look at how Mississippi responded to Katrina compared to New Orleans.[/quote]Yea, the Mississippiana were a lot more like North Dakotsns in response to their disaster. Another good example is Florida who has had many hurricanes of Katrinas magnitude and have always come through without all that moaning and whining associated with New Orleans.
To be fair I know some New Orleans residents that got after it with their own initiative, repairing their flooded homes and are now back in the city.
Buzz
· 8 months ago
Are you proud that you didn't go around looting also? That you didn't take the opportunity to rob and kill each other. You are civilized, rational, compassionate people. Of course you worked together.
Now if you were hit with a Katrina type disaster, and were flooded to the eaves of your houses for miles, all within 12 hours, there might of been a different outcome. Also most people own their own homes in Fargo, if you had a majority of renters with nothing to rent, your outcome would also be different. The two events are much different, and as usual you are setting up a straw man, only to knock him over.
The Whistler
· 8 months ago
As Rob said, my home town of Grand Forks was a better example. The entire city was evacuated in 1997. Nearly every home was damaged.
We got things done while the folks of New Orleans didn't. They've gotten far more support per capita than Grand Forks as well.
Rob
· 8 months ago
[quote]Rob, if you want a "fairer" comparison, look at how Mississippi responded to Katrina compared to New Orleans.[/quote]
True.
I think the main comparison is to look at the attitudes of the people. In New Orleans, it was all about "Who is going to bail me out?" In Fargo it's "Hey, let's bail ourselves out!"
mnconservative
· 8 months ago
The topic of this thread was about the 'take care of our own' spirit of the people of the Red River Valley. The people here did what was needed in order to help themselves and their neighbors, as did Mississippi, the people of Northfield and Florida. There is no whining, no house top sitting. The people in New Orleans had a 3 week warning and the house top squatters waited for the guvment to take care of them. Not all in New Orleans but those that have been taught to let the guvment take care of them.
This thread is not about Bush or any other such thing that Dino has tried to make it into. Get back on topic Dino! You are so incredibly transparent and this is just another example of the thread hijacking.
As someone who was been here throwing sandbags the spirit and the resolve of the inhabitants of the Red River Valley is something that everyone in the USA should imitate not denigrate.
robert108
· 8 months ago
Katrina was a combination of Dem misspending of the money that should have gone to maintain the levees over a twenty year period, plus incompetence on the part of both Blanco and Nagin. Of course, the lack of hustle on the part of the long term welfare recipients in NO didn't help, either.
I think the attitude is important. However Grand Forks was very catastrophic as well and we didn't sit around and bitch.
Nor did we loot.
Kay
· 8 months ago
Just a suggestion, but when site pests put their 2 cents in, ignore it--it's not worth the time it takes to type a response.
We're in Minot and I know the same response would be evident if the Souris was in danger of flooding... I have friends in Fargo. One can't lift anything due to back issues but was out helping cook for and feed volunteers and such. Others have been sandbagging for hours on end... It's really neat to see.
It's interesting you posted this, Rob, because my husband and I were discussing the same thing this morning.
Carrick
· 8 months ago
Whistler:
As Rob said, my home town of Grand Forks was a better example. The entire city was evacuated in 1997. Nearly every home was damaged.
Not sure I agree with you.
The Mississippi gulf coast was devastated by the hurricane, and a much larger number of people had to be evacuated. We saw nearly 100% loss in many areas along the coastline.
Grand Fork's response to their flood was phenomenal, but it's still on a completely different magnitude of disaster than Katrina.
At least you had roads that functioned going into Grand Forks. We had up to 100 miles of roads north-south feeding into the gulf coast that were undriveable after the storm.
Rob
· 8 months ago
The point wasn't to compare the severity of the various floods, but rather to compare the attitudes of the people.
I mean, in New Orleans people were refusing to evacuate. In Fargo and Grand Forks people were filling sandbags for days and days before flood waters even hit.
In New Orleans the attitude was "bail us out." In Fargo/Grand Forks (and Mississippi too, apparently) the attitude was and is "hey, let's get ourselves bailed out."
Buzz
· 8 months ago
If you have to sit around and be proud that you didn't act like the animals that looted, and burned their own town you really have no idea what we have to put up with in the rest of the country. Is it really something to be proud of that the national guard didn't have to "re-take" Fargo with overwhelming force? That you weren't shooting at helicopters trying to help, that you were not mugging and killing anyone who looked like they had a dollar on them? WTF, take a vacation, see what the United States is actually made up of.
robert108
· 8 months ago
[quote]The point wasn't to compare the severity of the various floods, but rather to compare the attitudes of the people. [/quote]
That inconvenient truth is not in the leftie talking points, Rob; they have to deflect, distract and lie to avoid that truth. That's what lefties do.
11B40
· 8 months ago
Greetings:
This is exactly, and predictably, what happens when a community is deprived of a proper civil rights industry. President Obama should be dispatching some of the ACORN horde to North Dakota immediately, especially after the crisis, I mean opportunity, he missed in Kentucky a while back.
studakota
· 8 months ago
Do you remember the title of a movie a few years ago called "white men can't jump"? Racist, if there ever was a case of racism. Fast forward now to the pictures of the hundreds of yellow school buses immersed in water at a parking lot in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. They had hours, even days, to get them out of harms way and yet no one thought to move them and, perhaps, take forty or so evacuees with each one. Even the most rabid liberal defenders cannot justify why that catastrophe happened. Perhaps a new movie is warranted. Let's call it "black men can't think".
The Whistler
· 8 months ago
Carrick, I meant Grand Forks is a better example than Fargo, not Mississippi.
I agree with your point that Mississippi the best indication of they dysfunction evident in the New Orleans area.
On the other hand it is necessary to point out where people are at their best when a disaster happens, whenever it happens.
That keeps us from accepting the failure that was New Orleans.
Lance
· 8 months ago
Keeping with the theme here, I just thought of this news article I read several months ago. It was about a woman whose car stalled out on the train tracks. Instead of getting out of her car and running, she dialed 911 and was hit and killed by the train. Here's a link:
The writer is comparing completely different events. A storm did not flood New Orleans. The failure of engineers to construct save and adequate floodwalls and levees caused New Orleans to fill up with water. There was no warning that the US Army Corps constructed worthless levees and New Orleans was not as safe as it appeared. A half million people lived in New Orleans and the conservative popular opinion is that those living there all want a free ride. You are lying to yourself if you believe that. The writer is conveniently ignorant of the facts but when you are writing to amuse backwoods racists, that is wheat you get - Lester Maddox's speechwriter.
Folks in Fargo were not all subject to flooding and had warning of a very specific threat. A serious hurricane did hit people on the Mississippi Gulf coast in 1995 but New Orleans was destroyed by the ASCE, the Corps and the US Congress negligence.
The Whistler
· 8 months ago
The thing is that there was no excuse for staying below flood level when there's an hurricane coming right at you.
Also there's no excuse for sitting around in the aftermath waiting for someone to do everything for you.
The Whistler
· 8 months ago
And what the hell was up with the looting, by police officers no less.
Shameful!
Hannitized
· 8 months ago
[quote]The point wasn't to compare the severity of the various floods, but rather to compare the attitudes of the people.[/quote]
What a dumb thing to say. Not surprising coming from Rob, but.
Jezuz Christ dude. The severity of disasters DOES change the various attitudes of the people. You moron.
How do you fucking people feed yourselves? Is America really this stupid?
Mark
· 8 months ago
[quote]How do you fucking people feed yourselves?[/quote]
Now the above was a dumb thing to say!
Moronic thinking on your part, hannitized!
Carrick
· 8 months ago
That doesn't excuse the behavior in New Orleans, Hannitized.
A much larger area was covered by the disaster in Mississippi than what struck New Orleans.
You must really think that the people of New Orleans are completely unable to fend for themselves to be working this hard to carry their water for them.
Is America really this stupid?
From the mind-numbing totally-missed-the-point response you gave, I suppose the answer is "yes".
Chief RZ
· 8 months ago
Do something vs. do nothing (and expect someone, somebody or something to do everything for them.
docdave
· 8 months ago
You want equivalent disasters to Katrina, how about the hurricane that literally destroyed everything on Galveston Island last year. You don't hear much whining and bitching on that, do you? We here is Texas like in North Dakota, Mississippi and elsewhere try to take care of our own.
And yes after Katrina we took in thousands of natives from New Orleans and gave them shelter so you can see we look after our neighbors too.
Honesty
· 8 months ago
It's not an equal comparison. New Orleans is full of shiftless niggers, and Fargo is not.
Rob
· 8 months ago
That's not "honesty." That's stupidity.
The Whistler
· 8 months ago
Idiot! (Not Rob).
studakota
· 8 months ago
BTW..thare are many videos on the Fargo-moorhead flood showing hundreds of people filling sandbags, shoveling sand, manning water pumps, etc. It is also well known that these good people, actually the "Do-Gooders", mainly tiresome, better than thou,church groups and such, have sponsored hundreds of immigrants from Somalia, Sudan, etc. during the past years. One wonders why I've not seen even one black face amongst the volunteers in the videos I've watched. Apparently the "somebody owes me something" mentality has quickly overtaken their ranks.
AR-15
· 8 months ago
[quote]If you have to sit around and be proud that you didn't act like the animals that looted, and burned their own town you really have no idea what we have to put up with in the rest of the country. Is it really something to be proud of that the national guard didn't have to "re-take" Fargo with overwhelming force? That you weren't shooting at helicopters trying to help, that you were not mugging and killing anyone who looked like they had a dollar on them? WTF, take a vacation, see what the United States is actually made up of.[/quote]
I have been around the country and that is exactly why it pisses me off when I hear some people in ND say "we need to increase our population and it's diversity". Yeah right, if we want it to be like New Orleans and every other Liberal,PC, crime infested big city in America. The muggings and killings in NO would have been much less if that piece of shit Liberal Mayor Nagin wouldn't have called for the unconstitutional confiscation of firearms. That move worked out real well.
Shawn K
· 8 months ago
Fargo/Grand Forks - Bad floods, city/state reinforce and improve the dikes so it doesn't happen again. Disaster happens, Governor gets on the phone with FEMA to get the process started.
New Orleans - poorly cared for levee system 'protecting' a city built below sea level. Disaster happens, FEMA doesn't get a call until much later, federal government gets blamed for not helping.
FEMA can't step in and help out until the state asks for their help. I remember reading reports after Katrina that FEMA actually called the LA governor and got hung up on.
Yes, a hurricane and a flood are 2 completely different disasters, but New Orleans has had THREE years. If you really want to do something, it doesn't take 3 years. Grand Forks hasn't had severe water problems this year because of all the work they did on their dikes since 1997. Fargo had problems this year because the water level in the Red River had never been that high before, but you can bet they'll plan for it now, and the work will be done this summer.
Someone should find some of the Katrina evacuees that wound up in eastern ND and stayed here, ask them what they think of the matter.
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And there was about 3 times as many people in New Orleans. Much more of New Orleans was affected than Fargo. New Orleans problems were compounded by a HURRICANE.
You're a piece of work.
Wasn't it West that said that? Can't remember for sure, but I remember watching it during a tv benefit for Katrina victims.
It is a Monday!
where's the big screen tv in the boat that they looted from the local wal mart. Isn't there supposed to be equal rights??
[url=http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/dec/31/nation/chi-katrina-bushdec31]Aides trace Bush's fall to 2005 storm[/url]
Of course things didn't get better considering he presided over the new Great Depression.
To be fair I know some New Orleans residents that got after it with their own initiative, repairing their flooded homes and are now back in the city.
Now if you were hit with a Katrina type disaster, and were flooded to the eaves of your houses for miles, all within 12 hours, there might of been a different outcome. Also most people own their own homes in Fargo, if you had a majority of renters with nothing to rent, your outcome would also be different. The two events are much different, and as usual you are setting up a straw man, only to knock him over.
We got things done while the folks of New Orleans didn't. They've gotten far more support per capita than Grand Forks as well.
True.
I think the main comparison is to look at the attitudes of the people. In New Orleans, it was all about "Who is going to bail me out?" In Fargo it's "Hey, let's bail ourselves out!"
This thread is not about Bush or any other such thing that Dino has tried to make it into. Get back on topic Dino! You are so incredibly transparent and this is just another example of the thread hijacking.
As someone who was been here throwing sandbags the spirit and the resolve of the inhabitants of the Red River Valley is something that everyone in the USA should imitate not denigrate.
Of course, the lack of hustle on the part of the long term welfare recipients in NO didn't help, either.
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Nor did we loot.
We're in Minot and I know the same response would be evident if the Souris was in danger of flooding... I have friends in Fargo. One can't lift anything due to back issues but was out helping cook for and feed volunteers and such. Others have been sandbagging for hours on end... It's really neat to see.
It's interesting you posted this, Rob, because my husband and I were discussing the same thing this morning.
Not sure I agree with you.
The Mississippi gulf coast was devastated by the hurricane, and a much larger number of people had to be evacuated. We saw nearly 100% loss in many areas along the coastline.
Grand Fork's response to their flood was phenomenal, but it's still on a completely different magnitude of disaster than Katrina.
At least you had roads that functioned going into Grand Forks. We had up to 100 miles of roads north-south feeding into the gulf coast that were undriveable after the storm.
I mean, in New Orleans people were refusing to evacuate. In Fargo and Grand Forks people were filling sandbags for days and days before flood waters even hit.
In New Orleans the attitude was "bail us out." In Fargo/Grand Forks (and Mississippi too, apparently) the attitude was and is "hey, let's get ourselves bailed out."
[/quote]
That inconvenient truth is not in the leftie talking points, Rob; they have to deflect, distract and lie to avoid that truth. That's what lefties do.
This is exactly, and predictably, what happens when a community is deprived of a proper civil rights industry. President Obama should be dispatching some of the ACORN horde to North Dakota immediately, especially after the crisis, I mean opportunity, he missed in Kentucky a while back.
I agree with your point that Mississippi the best indication of they dysfunction evident in the New Orleans area.
On the other hand it is necessary to point out where people are at their best when a disaster happens, whenever it happens.
That keeps us from accepting the failure that was New Orleans.
[url=http://911wackos.blogspot.com/2008/12/sad-story-woman-stuck-on-tracks-called.html]http://911wackos.blogspot.com/2008/12/sad-story-woman-stuck-on-tracks-called.html[/url]
Folks in Fargo were not all subject to flooding and had warning of a very specific threat. A serious hurricane did hit people on the Mississippi Gulf coast in 1995 but New Orleans was destroyed by the ASCE, the Corps and the US Congress negligence.
Also there's no excuse for sitting around in the aftermath waiting for someone to do everything for you.
Shameful!
What a dumb thing to say. Not surprising coming from Rob, but.
Jezuz Christ dude. The severity of disasters DOES change the various attitudes of the people. You moron.
How do you fucking people feed yourselves? Is America really this stupid?
Now the above was a dumb thing to say!
Moronic thinking on your part, hannitized!
A much larger area was covered by the disaster in Mississippi than what struck New Orleans.
You must really think that the people of New Orleans are completely unable to fend for themselves to be working this hard to carry their water for them.
From the mind-numbing totally-missed-the-point response you gave, I suppose the answer is "yes".
And yes after Katrina we took in thousands of natives from New Orleans and gave them shelter so you can see we look after our neighbors too.
I have been around the country and that is exactly why it pisses me off when I hear some people in ND say "we need to increase our population and it's diversity". Yeah right, if we want it to be like New Orleans and every other Liberal,PC, crime infested big city in America.
The muggings and killings in NO would have been much less if that piece of shit Liberal Mayor Nagin wouldn't have called for the unconstitutional confiscation of firearms. That move worked out real well.
New Orleans - poorly cared for levee system 'protecting' a city built below sea level. Disaster happens, FEMA doesn't get a call until much later, federal government gets blamed for not helping.
FEMA can't step in and help out until the state asks for their help. I remember reading reports after Katrina that FEMA actually called the LA governor and got hung up on.
Yes, a hurricane and a flood are 2 completely different disasters, but New Orleans has had THREE years. If you really want to do something, it doesn't take 3 years. Grand Forks hasn't had severe water problems this year because of all the work they did on their dikes since 1997. Fargo had problems this year because the water level in the Red River had never been that high before, but you can bet they'll plan for it now, and the work will be done this summer.
Someone should find some of the Katrina evacuees that wound up in eastern ND and stayed here, ask them what they think of the matter.
~Shawn K (@thattalldude)