Its clear that President Bush needs to be held accountable for appointing the idiotic Michael Brown to the head of FEMA, but outside of that the rest of the blame must be laid at the feet of Louisiana's local officials...
Do try to keep up...
Don Myers
· 4 years ago
Rob: So you're saying that Bush SHOULD "be held accountable for appointing the idiotic Michael Brown to the head of FEMA," but that Bush SHOULD NOT be held accountable for anything Brown did or did not do.
That's after you've made it quite clear that since Nagin deserves SOME of the blame for this clusterfuck, Bush therefore deserves NONE of the blame.
Manoman...not only is the White House passing the buck, they got you maintaining that buck-passing is a good and noble thing.
In Bush's world, "accountability" and "responsibility" are strictly for underlings and suckers.
Brandon
· 4 years ago
How you extrapolated that Rob states that Bush has no accountability is really beyond me.
I mean, one person really can't be this delusional and this dumb, can he?
Don Myers
· 4 years ago
No, Brandon---Rob is suggesting that Bush be held acountable ONLY for appointing Brown and nothing else.
I'm suggesting that "The Buck Stops Here"---or that it should, anyway.
Why y'all feel this pathological need to protect and defend Dubya at all costs, no matter what, is beyond me.
The Whistler
· 4 years ago
Didn't we have hurricanes last year in Florida. Did Florida let things go until the Feds could come in?
Haven't there been earthquakes in California? When that happens does California just sit and whine until someone does their job for them?
When the islamists attack in 2001 did New York city give up until the Feds could come in?
Brandon
· 4 years ago
Hmm, looks to me like Rob is *gasp* suggesting the blame be spread equally instead of being focused on one person or his administration.
What a concept. I'm sure you've even engaged in it when it's been politically expedient.
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
I also extrapolated it from the title of this post, Brandon.
Title of the post: Don't JUST Blame The Feds
What, exactly, did you extrapolate?
Learn to read bucko.
Don Myers
· 4 years ago
I also extrapolated it from the title of this post, Brandon.
WOOF
· 4 years ago
What a hatchet job.
The New Orleans police force would be a joke if it weren't a disgrace. It is a perennial contender for Murder Capital. That looters ran unchecked after the hurricane criminals have had the run of the city for years.
They had it coming. We could lure all the inhabitants back, fill the bowl with gasoline and incinerate them. Then we could build a pillar of salt with their ashes.
Where was the Prince while this was happening?
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
Don Myers goes on, Why y'all feel this pathological need to protect and defend Dubya at all costs, no matter what, is beyond me.
Projection. Why you feel this pathological need to tar and feather Bush at all costs, no matter what, is beyond us.
WOOF said, They had it coming. We could lure all the inhabitants back, fill the bowl with gasoline and incinerate them. Then we could build a pillar of salt with their ashes.
Where was the Prince while this was happening?
Is that what you really get out of the article? Geeze WOOF. No wonder you disagree with us so much. You don't understand what is being said.
Gone Away
· 4 years ago
Jeez, you guys really take the cake. This is political discussion? It is quite clear that the Republicans amongst you will vote Republican in the next election and the Democrats will vote Democrat. So let's give up on the idea of converting anyone to the cause, okay? If you really insist on apportioning blame for the New Orleans disaster, I suggest you forget which of the protagonists was Republican and which Democrat and just look at the facts. If you attempt to solve the problems along party political lines, you're just inviting another disaster. Sack the incompetents, regardless of party. A good place to start would be the Governor of Louisiana. Oh, I forget, is she Dem or Republican? That Brown guy at the head of FEMA can go too.
The responsible, adult way to run a government is to have plans and then have contingency plans for when the original plan goes haywire.
You only have to contemplate the idea of New Orleans flooding for about 20 minutes before you figure out that the local and state governments would not be able to handle it by themselves. All the crap about who does what and where is the command center and how do we coordinate should have been worked out in advance IN THE PLAN!
The Bush administration seems content to believe in it's almighty power to just run things by the seat of their pants. "We'll just invade Iraq and work out the details later." "Yeah, New Orleans may flood but we'll just wait till the Governor figures out she has to fill out form 2342422-J before we move in to help.
The Feds are the ones with the resources. The locals are the ones who got flooded out! The President is the one who can cut through the red tape and get things done immediately. Too bad he couldn't have cut his vacation short a few days earlier. Or maybe he could have left some adult supervision in D.C. while he was out of town.
Yeah, I mostly blame the President and his administration.
The Whistler
· 4 years ago
I happen to believe that ultimately the local and state authorities will get the blame. I think we'll find out that the Fed's could have done better, but didn't really do that bad.
What's the point now. The mayor of New Orleans is the mayor. We're not going to have a recall election next month. Same goes for the Gov. Still I don't feel sorry for them since they are the ones that largely started it.
Let's get things cleaned up and in a month or two have a complete audit and review. If crimes were committed (misappropriation of Homeland Security funds for example) then their should be manslaughter charges filed. If people did things wrong than let's settle that when all of the facts are known.
The most important thing to happen is to find out how we can do things better.
On the other hand as long as the lefties blame the righties the righties almost have to fire back to defend themselves. I suppose you could say it goes the other way, but the first quotes were blaming the feds.
The fact is the federal intervention saved a lot of lives. Maybe it could have saved more. But this is the first time I've ever had a rescue effort subjected to any high level of criticism.
likwidshoe
· 4 years ago
Too bad he couldn't have cut his vacation short a few days earlier. Or maybe he could have left some adult supervision in D.C. while he was out of town.
You still believe that Presidents have real vacations? That he's not doing work while on "vacation"?
Yeah, I mostly blame the President and his administration.
The best thing to make us of the devastatoin from Katrina is for the Federal government ot step back and let the city and it people drown. It's not a federal problem. The state is responsible for the welfare of it people in all thing except a military attach. If if the people in a state can't elect official that prepare and deal with a natural disaster, they deserve what they get.
The only way to end nanny state is to let the city and state due with it own problem. The president is wasting his time with this small shit that state and local government should be dealing with. So yes, let NO go to hell.
It not the president problem so it can't be his fault. FEMA do thing by the book, money was assign and emergency supply line up for state to used after Katrina hit. If the state and local government can get they act together to used that help, tough. Prove other wise or get out. I don't care how may people die, its still not the president or Federal government job to make sure every cities and town work out a plan incase of a desaster. That people die natural disaster is terrible.
FEMA should not have exist, it have no business existing. State government and local government are responsible to local emergency and be financially prepare to deal with them. The Federal government should stay out of it. The only lesson that can be drawn from this is that the federal is over expose in an area where it can only lose politally and financially, and where it is not constitutional bond to expend the capital.
Kingdom of Idiots: September 2
· 3 years ago
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The WB42 5:30 Report With Doug
· 3 years ago
[...] That's the suggestion via one of our regular readers and commenters. He says he's not the only one who thinks there is way too much finger-pointing going on. With his permission, here's what he shared.IT IS TIME TO BUILD UP Our hearts have certainly been touched and saddened by the plight of our neighbors on the gulf coast. However, I am even more troubled by the useless rhetoric of those whose only interest seems to be finding someone to blame. I am sure in hind sight we will discover all kinds of things that should have been done differently, but in the meantime there are still thousands of people who need our attention. There will be a time for finger pointing, but that helps no one right now. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement (Ephesians 4:29) The Lord knows there are thousands who need encouragement.As you can see, Mr. Krile, I'm not the only one who feels this way. This is your opportunity to be an encouragement, rather than a discouragement.Thoughts? Comments?Here's one more from those who think the buck stops locally. The description of the mayor's DVD seems to counter what he's been saying more recently. Last July, his office prepared DVDs warning that, if the city ever had to be evacuated, residents were on their own. According toa July 24 article in The Times-Picayune (spotted by the Webs Drudge Report), Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harms way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation.You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you, one official said of the message. [...]
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Do try to keep up...
So you're saying that Bush SHOULD "be held accountable for appointing the idiotic Michael Brown to the head of FEMA," but that Bush SHOULD NOT be held accountable for anything Brown did or did not do.
That's after you've made it quite clear that since Nagin deserves SOME of the blame for this clusterfuck, Bush therefore deserves NONE of the blame.
Manoman...not only is the White House passing the buck, they got you maintaining that buck-passing is a good and noble thing.
In Bush's world, "accountability" and "responsibility" are strictly for underlings and suckers.
I mean, one person really can't be this delusional and this dumb, can he?
I'm suggesting that "The Buck Stops Here"---or that it should, anyway.
Why y'all feel this pathological need to protect and defend Dubya at all costs, no matter what, is beyond me.
Haven't there been earthquakes in California? When that happens does California just sit and whine until someone does their job for them?
When the islamists attack in 2001 did New York city give up until the Feds could come in?
What a concept. I'm sure you've even engaged in it when it's been politically expedient.
Title of the post: Don't JUST Blame The Feds
What, exactly, did you extrapolate?
Learn to read bucko.
They had it coming.
We could lure all the inhabitants back, fill the bowl with gasoline and incinerate them. Then we could build a pillar of salt with their ashes.
Where was the Prince while this was happening?
Projection. Why you feel this pathological need to tar and feather Bush at all costs, no matter what, is beyond us.
WOOF said, They had it coming.
We could lure all the inhabitants back, fill the bowl with gasoline and incinerate them. Then we could build a pillar of salt with their ashes.
Where was the Prince while this was happening?
Is that what you really get out of the article? Geeze WOOF. No wonder you disagree with us so much. You don't understand what is being said.
The whole federal response is being scapegoated as documented here: Looking for holes in this thesis on the so-called lack of federal response in New Orleans
You only have to contemplate the idea of New Orleans flooding for about 20 minutes before you figure out that the local and state governments would not be able to handle it by themselves. All the crap about who does what and where is the command center and how do we coordinate should have been worked out in advance IN THE PLAN!
The Bush administration seems content to believe in it's almighty power to just run things by the seat of their pants. "We'll just invade Iraq and work out the details later." "Yeah, New Orleans may flood but we'll just wait till the Governor figures out she has to fill out form 2342422-J before we move in to help.
The Feds are the ones with the resources. The locals are the ones who got flooded out! The President is the one who can cut through the red tape and get things done immediately. Too bad he couldn't have cut his vacation short a few days earlier. Or maybe he could have left some adult supervision in D.C. while he was out of town.
Yeah, I mostly blame the President and his administration.
What's the point now. The mayor of New Orleans is the mayor. We're not going to have a recall election next month. Same goes for the Gov. Still I don't feel sorry for them since they are the ones that largely started it.
Let's get things cleaned up and in a month or two have a complete audit and review. If crimes were committed (misappropriation of Homeland Security funds for example) then their should be manslaughter charges filed. If people did things wrong than let's settle that when all of the facts are known.
The most important thing to happen is to find out how we can do things better.
On the other hand as long as the lefties blame the righties the righties almost have to fire back to defend themselves. I suppose you could say it goes the other way, but the first quotes were blaming the feds.
The fact is the federal intervention saved a lot of lives. Maybe it could have saved more. But this is the first time I've ever had a rescue effort subjected to any high level of criticism.
You still believe that Presidents have real vacations? That he's not doing work while on "vacation"?
Yeah, I mostly blame the President and his administration.
It's easier than laying the blame where it belongs.
It's so much easier to just blame the President.
The only way to end nanny state is to let the city and state due with it own problem. The president is wasting his time with this small shit that state and local government should be dealing with. So yes, let NO go to hell.
It not the president problem so it can't be his fault. FEMA do thing by the book, money was assign and emergency supply line up for state to used after Katrina hit. If the state and local government can get they act together to used that help, tough. Prove other wise or get out. I don't care how may people die, its still not the president or Federal government job to make sure every cities and town work out a plan incase of a desaster. That people die natural disaster is terrible.
FEMA should not have exist, it have no business existing. State government and local government are responsible to local emergency and be financially prepare to deal with them. The Federal government should stay out of it. The only lesson that can be drawn from this is that the federal is over expose in an area where it can only lose politally and financially, and where it is not constitutional bond to expend the capital.