Do most North Dakotan prefer an admendment to the U.S. Constitution over letting state decide?
Sphagnum
· 3 years ago
Do most North Dakotan prefer an admendment to the U.S. Constitution over letting state decide?
An amemdment to the Constitution DOES let the states decide.
ellinas
· 3 years ago
they are no different than any other politician. Say one thing,then do another.
dave
· 3 years ago
The 2004 vote was on amending our state constitution. This afternoon's vote was on amending our country's constitution. There's no conflict.
The Whistler
· 3 years ago
I think the concern is that a federal judge can ignore the wishes of the states that have banned gay marriage. In fact I think they have.
On the other hand it'll be hard for a judge to ignore the defense of marriage to the US Constitution.
JeremyB
· 3 years ago
On the other, other hand, we do live in a republic in which we elect representatives to make their best judgments, not necessarily what 51+% of their constituents want.
Not that this makes it okay to ignore constituents or is to say that these two made the right choice.
The Whistler
· 3 years ago
I think this is an issue that's not complicated where they should have listened.
Hopefully we can make the voters realize the disrespect we're getting out of Washington.
Sphagnum
· 3 years ago
On the other, other hand, we do live in a republic in which we elect representatives to make their best judgments, not necessarily what 51+% of their constituents want.
Exactly. I don't think the point of the post is to say they aren't doing their jobs but maybe to suggest they aren't the best representitives for their state. Something the voters need to keep in mind next election cycle...
Puzzlefeet
· 3 years ago
They will be reelected handily November 7 much to the chagrine of some of the ND bloggers here. People know what Sen. Conrad meant by his vote and they will continue to support him by reelecting him. This was nothing more than a political stunt. Next up, hmmm, let's see, yeah, let's rouse our base with the flag burning amendment. Oh and then we'll do the Paris Hilton Tax. Yeah that'll take people away from the budget not being done or balanced, the runaway deficit the war in Iraq, and all those things the congress should be working on.
Puzzlefeet
· 3 years ago
Yeah, you don't get your way, so let's change the rules.
Anonomisly
· 3 years ago
docdave, I'm really interested on your reasoning why having the state legislatures selecting Senators would better insure they represent their contituents. Wouldn't that be better guaranteed by the constituents directly choosing their Senetors, as oppose to indirectly through their state legislatures?
...having the state legislatures select for the contituents (as oppose to the contituents doing it themself...
And wouldn't gerrymandering entering into the choosing of our Senators distort it even more?
Anonomisly
· 3 years ago
i will get on reading but can you please answer the following question for me:
how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?
likwidshoe
· 3 years ago
how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?
The House of Representatives are there to represent the state's constituents. The Senate is supposed to represent the state, not be another House of Representatives.
Anonomisly
· 3 years ago
I would think direct selection by voters would be a better guaranteed, but I'm open minded and anxious to know what the reasoning behind comment is.
Come on, DD! spill it --the suspence is killing me!
Rob
· 3 years ago
They will be reelected handily November 7 much to the chagrine of some of the ND bloggers here.
Sadly, Puzzle is right.
Thanks to Conrad's $2,076,000 in out-of-state contributions (about 93% of his total) will probably keep him in office so he can keep not-representing the interests of North Dakotans (outside of bringing home lots and lots of pork money).
Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad don't understand that they are in the Senate to represent their constituents rather than the Democratic party. But it isn't new now, so why do they keep getting voted into the Senate? Just because they have high positions and help farmers out?
Justin B
· 3 years ago
Doesn't the Defense of Marriage Act already cover the ground of the Constitutional Amendment? Why not let the DOMA play out to the SCOTUS and let them set precedent by upholding the provision that states that individual states do not have to recognize a marriage that violates their state law?
I don't know why Dorgan or Conrad should tell Massachusetts what to do. Just make sure individual states have the right to define what constitutes a marriage within their state. DOMA did that.
What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can't do. On principle, I believe the Tenth Amendment was intended purely to not do that. As long as the DOMA exempts states from having to honor a Mass marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, let Mass do whatever their voters decide. But the voters in damned near every other state have spoken and if gay marriage and abortion on demand are what Mass wants, it sends a stark picture of what the Democratic Party is all about. That is more valuable for national politics than trying to get Mass to stop marrying gays.
And if the issue mattered enough to people, Dorgan and Conrad would not be in the Senate, but they are, meaning something else takes precedence for the people of ND. When ND sends them packing, get back to me on the outrage that people show on Gay Marriage. About the time the SCOTUS forces states to honor Mass's marriages and offer gay marriages themselves or voters care enough to send incumbents who voted against it packing, the Federal Amendment will get passed. Until then, it is unnecessary and people just don't care enough.
robert108
· 3 years ago
"What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can't do."
Absolutely false. The TMA codifies what the institution of marriage has always been throughout history: A heterosexual institution. It is also the will of the vast majority of Americans, and probably the vast majority of people in the world. I know that 1.5 billion Muslims agree that marriage is exclusively heterosexual.
Puzzlefeet
· 3 years ago
Yeah, R108, Slavery was also supported by the masses.
Justin B
· 3 years ago
No, those 1.5 Billion Muslims also allow polygamy. And the FMA defines it as one man and one woman.
Are you familiar with the DOMA from like 7-8 years ago? All the Feds need to do is recognize the autonomy of the individual states and that one state does not have to recognize gay marriages from another state.
Robert, why should you be allowed to tell another state what laws they can and can't have in a matter that is allocated by the states by the Tenth Amendment? Let me guess, because you think social policy should be determined nationally as opposed to on a state by state basis. Read the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution and decide if marriage and the definition of it falls into Federal jurisdiction or state. It belongs to the state.
Just exempt states from the Full Faith and Credit Clause which the DOMA already did. Let the law be challenged and let the SCOTUS speak on the matter.
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Do most North Dakotan prefer an admendment to the U.S. Constitution over letting state decide?
An amemdment to the Constitution DOES let the states decide.
Say one thing,then do another.
On the other hand it'll be hard for a judge to ignore the defense of marriage to the US Constitution.
Not that this makes it okay to ignore constituents or is to say that these two made the right choice.
Hopefully we can make the voters realize the disrespect we're getting out of Washington.
Exactly. I don't think the point of the post is to say they aren't doing their jobs but maybe to suggest they aren't the best representitives for their state. Something the voters need to keep in mind next election cycle...
...having the state legislatures select for the contituents (as oppose to the contituents doing it themself...
And wouldn't gerrymandering entering into the choosing of our Senators distort it even more?
how is the state legislature selecting senator for their contituents as oppose to the constituents choosing their senators themselves suppose to better assure senators represent their contituents?
The House of Representatives are there to represent the state's constituents. The Senate is supposed to represent the state, not be another House of Representatives.
Come on, DD! spill it --the suspence is killing me!
Sadly, Puzzle is right.
Thanks to Conrad's $2,076,000 in out-of-state contributions (about 93% of his total) will probably keep him in office so he can keep not-representing the interests of North Dakotans (outside of bringing home lots and lots of pork money).
I don't know why Dorgan or Conrad should tell Massachusetts what to do. Just make sure individual states have the right to define what constitutes a marriage within their state. DOMA did that.
What the Federal Marriage Amendment seeks to do is dictate to the people of Mass what their state can and can't do. On principle, I believe the Tenth Amendment was intended purely to not do that. As long as the DOMA exempts states from having to honor a Mass marriage under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, let Mass do whatever their voters decide. But the voters in damned near every other state have spoken and if gay marriage and abortion on demand are what Mass wants, it sends a stark picture of what the Democratic Party is all about. That is more valuable for national politics than trying to get Mass to stop marrying gays.
And if the issue mattered enough to people, Dorgan and Conrad would not be in the Senate, but they are, meaning something else takes precedence for the people of ND. When ND sends them packing, get back to me on the outrage that people show on Gay Marriage. About the time the SCOTUS forces states to honor Mass's marriages and offer gay marriages themselves or voters care enough to send incumbents who voted against it packing, the Federal Amendment will get passed. Until then, it is unnecessary and people just don't care enough.
Absolutely false. The TMA codifies what the institution of marriage has always been throughout history: A heterosexual institution. It is also the will of the vast majority of Americans, and probably the vast majority of people in the world. I know that 1.5 billion Muslims agree that marriage is exclusively heterosexual.
Are you familiar with the DOMA from like 7-8 years ago? All the Feds need to do is recognize the autonomy of the individual states and that one state does not have to recognize gay marriages from another state.
Robert, why should you be allowed to tell another state what laws they can and can't have in a matter that is allocated by the states by the Tenth Amendment? Let me guess, because you think social policy should be determined nationally as opposed to on a state by state basis. Read the Tenth Amendment and the Constitution and decide if marriage and the definition of it falls into Federal jurisdiction or state. It belongs to the state.
Just exempt states from the Full Faith and Credit Clause which the DOMA already did. Let the law be challenged and let the SCOTUS speak on the matter.