But Gene, what about the spotted owls and kangaroo mice or rats or whatever they are?
robert108
· 3 years ago
Been saying this for years.
realitybasedbob
· 3 years ago
Wow this is big! Does Wayne Madsen know about this yet?
WOOF
· 3 years ago
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria Dr. Peter Venkman:
Gene Redlin
· 3 years ago
RBB,
Sorry for being ignorant.
Who's Wayne Madsen?
MikeAdamson
· 3 years ago
You should send this post to the Onion...great stuff! ;)
diane
· 3 years ago
full of lies and allegations that are questioned by honest scientists,
Ahhhhh...I see. Then we would be talking about the government 'commissioned' report giving the explanation of the collapse of the Twin Towers.
Carrick
· 3 years ago
Beautiful article, Gene.
It illustrates a particular political perspective in which the ends justifies the means. In this case, bend, distort, abandon, even destroy the truth if necessary in order to achieve a Greater Good.
I find it rather sickening, especially when I see scientists do it (like the fellows on realclimate.org, the progenitors of the "hockey stick" and putatively the inspiration for Al Gore's latest & greatest).
Roman
· 3 years ago
I have known Al Gore since college, and a more dedicated, freedom-loving American you cannot find. To call him, or even equate him to communism or it's "New Leader," is not only ridiculous, but outrageous, a demonstration of pure ignorance on your part. When did America become a nation-builder? When did we lose sight of what and who we are, or rather who we were? Democracy has many voices, but only those voices that have an intelligent tone are those that are remembered, the nonsense you advocate falls on deaf ears, heard only by the least informed within our society. Having said this, I respect your right to voice your opinions and your ability to embrace your ignorance.
Ken McCracken
· 3 years ago
Well how charitable of you Roman.
Are you claiming that those folks did not actually say any of those things Gene quoted?
And do they not see Gore as the leading spokesman for the movement that shares those views?
Gore may not be a communist, but what he and his friends espouse sure makes them sound like fellow-travelers.
Carrick
· 3 years ago
Jeez Diane, when will it get through your skull that people have looked at the conspiracy theories and debunked them, not out of patronage to der Vater, but because they are so infinitely debunkable. This is simply a fact, whether it fits conveniently into your world view or not.
You can find some of my thoughts on the subject expounded starting here. I doubt it will change your mind, but it's probably a small book worth of comments by the time its done.
No argument will touch a true conspiracy theorist, because they've usually bought into the conspiracy theory for non-scientific reasons to start with, and it ends up being a variant of arguing science with somebody who's taken a religious-based stance.
I don't want a debate with you on this, you simply don't know enough engineering or science, and I doubt you are even that familiarized with the details of the conspiracy theories, for it to be a constructive use of my time. Nor would I expect even Albert Einstein to be able to phase your belief in this myth. But what I've said in the first paragraph is my informed viewpoint, and not that of some lock-step robot of the state.
Carrick
· 3 years ago
Roman:
I have known Al Gore since college, and a more dedicated, freedom-loving American you cannot find.
I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.
Not the words of a freedom lover. Truth sets us free. Lies enslave us.
robert108
· 3 years ago
Al Gore, former Vice-Liar.
caseydk
· 3 years ago
Enviromentalists are like watermellons...
Green on the outside, red on the inside.
bullwinkle
· 3 years ago
Who would have ever thought a fine, upstanding American citizen like WOOF would think the Communists hijacking the environmental movement was nothing to worry about? I mean besides those of us who know he's a little Jr. Marxist already? I suppose he can't be blamed, when you can't compete in the open market and have the capabilities and ambition of a deer tick what other group welcomes you so readily?
Zsa Zsa
· 3 years ago
Communist leader Al Gore sounds right to me. When he grew that beard after 911 and started teaching, I thought he was more Talibanish. BUT, somehow communist leader suits him much better.
gpprairie
· 3 years ago
So are we going to stop trying to keep litter off the streets and stop trying to have clean air and clean water and stop trying to conserve rather than waste resources and stop trying to restore native ecosystems all because some 'leaders' exaggerate to the point of lying to make their points and because some people mix the message of caring for the earth's natural systems with politics? I know a lot of grass roots environmentalists who beleive strongly in democracy and in true reasons for doing those things I listed above. And who put in countless hours of volunteer time on local forest preserves and prairie restorations so that others can enjoy the beauty of those ecosystems and we can benefit from the environmental benefits of the cleaner air and cleaner water and such that they provide. How can we not reverse progress on caring for the earth as a backlash to idiots who take it too far?
MikeAdamson
· 3 years ago
Because there's nothing more American than environmental degradation...or something like that.
The bright side of this ludicrous presentation is that i now feel free to quote Lyndon Larouche as an authentic voice of American capitalism.
Gene Redlin
· 3 years ago
GO,
If that was the environmentalists program, clean air, clean water, no litter, restored ecosystems, I'm all for it. But, that's not the communistic plan.
Kyoto wasn't about clean air. or any of the other nobel things you suggested.
The Global Warming (Anthroprogenic) scam is all about control and power and money.
Communisim has always been about money. Your money, their pockets. Castro?? Robert Mugabe??
This is an end run that must be stopped. The sceintific community is on the dole and and says yes massa each time. Fail to follow the party line an you are sceince history.
So, let's do the good things, but let's not let the commies take over.
OH, so I am clear. I consider myself a friend of the environment. So, I refuse to call these commies environmentalists. They are communists in environmentalist clothing. That doesn't include you GO, or me. It does include Al Gore for his power play propaganda.
This is about 2008 and don't anyone forget it.
Power and Money.
Gene Redlin
· 3 years ago
Oh and one other thing,
IOWAHAWK has 10 things every environmental commie should do to save the planet.
It's a hoot.
WOOF
· 3 years ago
"I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five (people) that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department"
Joseph R. McCarthy
Gene Redlin
· 3 years ago
The Gene Redlin Hearings:
Woof: Are you now, or have you ever been an environmentalist.
When they make me King.......
goprairie
· 3 years ago
So how do you keep up the local good work and national policies to encourage such things when label is being hijacked. How about some ideas there?
calm down, USA
· 3 years ago
We need to look at environmental issues, don't we? We've got endangered species, possible global warming, fish stocks issues, etc etc. Plus I think rainforests and countryside are good things and should be protected. Clean air, clean water. I don't care who's a communist or who's lying, behind all the shouting these are things which most people on all sides agree on. Surely?
And by the way, Kyoto was about reducing carbon emissions, and the UK government was absolutely gutted it was not agreed upon, despite the fact that it would not give them power or money, but would force them to work hard on its energy policy.
Anyway, be that as it may, I'm disturbed not to have read any mention of the World Cup which starts on the 9th in Germany!!
For those of you who don't know, The US's group is:
USA Italy Czech Republic Ghana
Two qualify. The US have a chance, but please whatever you do, don't let Italy get through. I saw them in a "friendly" against Switzerland, and they dived (as usual) and tried to cripple two or three of the Swiss players on the eve of the biggest month of their lives. They're cynical and no credit to the game. Those crazy Czechs are always nifty, and Ghana are the dark horses. Good luck!
The environmental movement has a whole lot less to do with the environment than it has to do with ideology.
calm down, USA
· 3 years ago
Gene, I beg you to give it another shot. You get some soul-destroyingly bad games, but you get some that are absolute art. And what game did you watch anyway? Not MLS, I hope. That's football at it's oddest, football in a cultural football-vacuum. That's not meant as offence, it's just that football doesn't suit being fifth or sixth in a culture's popularity ratings. Then it does get hellish tedious sometimes...Forget that, watch USA-Italy or something. Or Argentina-Netherlands. Blah blah, sorry football is like food and sleep to me, I probably need both, actually.
Hey, at least it is a "World" Cup unlike the baseball "World" (snigger) Series. A bit parochial, surely? I saw a report saying the Yankees had more World Titles than anyone in any sport. Heh heh!! Nonsense.
Mickey
· 3 years ago
Has Al Gore killed the Manbearpig yet?
WOOF
· 3 years ago
The Kyoto treaty is supported by Hank Paulson, Bush's pick for treasury secretary. He has turned over land to The Nature Conservancy and his son is a trustee of the Wildlife Conservation Society. Is Al Gore running the Bush Admin? Is the Commie/enviro take over complete? Stealth Takeover
Ken McCracken
· 3 years ago
Heh, if the environmentalists think they are going to succeed by taking over the Treasury Department, they are even dumber than they look.
diane
· 3 years ago
have known Al Gore since college, and a more dedicated, freedom-loving American you cannot find. To call him, or even equate him to communism or it's "New Leader," is not only ridiculous, but outrageous, a demonstration of pure ignorance on your part.When did America become a nation-builder? When did we lose sight of what and who we are, or rather who we were? Democracy has many voices, but only those voices that have an intelligent tone are those that are remembered, the nonsense you advocate falls on deaf ears, heard only by the least informed within our society. Having said this, I respect your right to voice your opinions and your ability to embrace your ignorance. Roman on June 2, 2006 at 1:57 AM
Beautifully said, ex-Marine Roman. Hey, I'm surprised you're getting so much flack; Marines here are golden. Say what you want, it's a 'man' thing. Seriously, you are a breath of fresh air here.
Hey Internet PhD. I don't use any kind of engineering knowledge on my part to make my point. I quote experts, as I did elsewhere.
On the other hand, you with your all-encompassing PhD-ship, think you have some superior wisdom and insight on every subject under the sun, which, of course, you certainly do not.
What it boils down to is that you are a blow-hard.
WOOF
· 3 years ago
succeed by taking over the Treasury Department,
They own the President, or he is such a disinterested tool that he that he has taken this envirosnake to his bosom.
Carrick
· 3 years ago
Gene:
This is an end run that must be stopped. The sceintific community is on the dole and and says yes massa each time. Fail to follow the party line an you are sceince history.
I think you got a bit carried away. This is good old fashion uniformed bullshit.
For all you guys are skeptical of the media, you perplexedly still anticipate that they can report truthfully and without spin the scientific consensus on any politicized issue, including that of Kyoto, global warming, etc.
Quite bizarre actually.
The fact is there is quite a controversy over the extent of human global warming within the scientific community. Kyoto is generally regarded (by those who actually looked into it, not by those who signed a petition) as lame and ineffective.
Carrick
· 3 years ago
WOOF:
The Kyoto treaty is supported by Hank Paulson, Bush's pick for treasury secretary.
Good thing he's got nothing to do with the decision making on Kyoto then. Why support a protocol that excludes the people who are the problem makers.
I know you like to keep a blind eye to the facts, however...
The US per capita is one of the highest CO2 emitters in the world, but after you factor in that we produce 25% of the goods and services for the world, we sit about mid point in CO2 efficiency, and we are continuing to improve over time.
I suppose you've heard of the sulphur restrictions on diesel fuel and the upcoming requirement for catalytic converters for new diesel engines? These are outgrowths of the "anti-environmental" Bush administration.
Since the developing nations are responsible for about three times as much CO2 emissions normalized to production level, yet these nations have been explicitly excluded from the Kyoto Protocol, I simply can't spell out entirely how retarded this document is.
The only thing it is in reality is an economic redistribution plan in the guise of an GHG emissions control treaty.
bullwinkle
· 3 years ago
I just love the way the leftards blame Bush for Kyoto not passing. Of course they aren't going to admit that it was Clinton, not Bush and that every single Democrat in the Senate voted it down too. They lack the ability to tell the truth. They truth prevents them from furthering their corrupt agenda.
On July 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95--0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98)[2], which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations CNN. The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.
bullwinkle
· 3 years ago
Al Gore didn't like it either. Hah.
Seth Williams
· 3 years ago
"The environmentalist's dream is an egalitarian society, based on rejection of economic growth, a smaller population, eating lower on the food chain, consuming a lot less, and sharing a much lower level of resources much more equally."
Aaron Wildavsky, political scientist and professor.
Translation: becoming vegetarian.
robert108
· 3 years ago
The real enviro agenda is to go back to the Stone Age, including the level of human population.
goprairie
· 3 years ago
MY long term enviro agenda is to try to help make sure the earth can still sustain life for my two kids and their kids and on and on. My short term enviro agenda is to make sure there are pretty pleasant open natural spaces for my kids and I to hike, bike, canoe, kayak, camp, backpack, rock climb, and basically enjoy the beauty of the plant and animal world. My particular interests are deciduous woods and (obviously) tallgrass prairie. I have a lot to learn about river ecology and prairie wetlands. I try to work on local nature issues, as that is all I can really do. Most people that I associate with have a similar global interest and a local hands-on involvement. No hidden agendas, political or otherwise.
goprairie
· 3 years ago
Seems the original premise of this post is that communists and/or socialists are using environmentalism to get into office OR environmentalists are communists and/or socialists who will attempt to foist communism or socialism on all of us once they get into office. Yet, even IF Al Gore were elected our next president, I beleive our constitution establishes branches of government designed as checks and balances against each other so that even if a communist or socialist president were elected, it would be impossible for he or she alone to have the power to impose communism or socialism on all of us. Am I wrong?
MikeAdamson
· 3 years ago
goprairie...what you say makes sense although if Gore were to win in 2008 and the war on terror is still playing out then he'll be able to sneak his environist agenda through in the name of national security in accordance with his Article II powers.
goprairie
· 3 years ago
Guess somebody should not have compromised the constitution, then?
robert108
· 3 years ago
goprairie: You have a point. When the last president(a marxist, IMO) was elected, it only took two years for a strong opposing Congress to be elected, so his socialist agenda was largely unable to be implemented. After 40 years of one-party domination, Congress changed in one election. Action-reaction.
All Comments
Does Wayne Madsen know about this yet?
Sorry for being ignorant.
Who's Wayne Madsen?
Ahhhhh...I see. Then we would be talking about the government 'commissioned' report giving the explanation of the collapse of the Twin Towers.
It illustrates a particular political perspective in which the ends justifies the means. In this case, bend, distort, abandon, even destroy the truth if necessary in order to achieve a Greater Good.
I find it rather sickening, especially when I see scientists do it (like the fellows on realclimate.org, the progenitors of the "hockey stick" and putatively the inspiration for Al Gore's latest & greatest).
Are you claiming that those folks did not actually say any of those things Gene quoted?
And do they not see Gore as the leading spokesman for the movement that shares those views?
Gore may not be a communist, but what he and his friends espouse sure makes them sound like fellow-travelers.
You can find some of my thoughts on the subject expounded starting here. I doubt it will change your mind, but it's probably a small book worth of comments by the time its done.
No argument will touch a true conspiracy theorist, because they've usually bought into the conspiracy theory for non-scientific reasons to start with, and it ends up being a variant of arguing science with somebody who's taken a religious-based stance.
I don't want a debate with you on this, you simply don't know enough engineering or science, and I doubt you are even that familiarized with the details of the conspiracy theories, for it to be a constructive use of my time. Nor would I expect even Albert Einstein to be able to phase your belief in this myth. But what I've said in the first paragraph is my informed viewpoint, and not that of some lock-step robot of the state.
Al Gore:
Not the words of a freedom lover. Truth sets us free. Lies enslave us.
Green on the outside, red on the inside.
The bright side of this ludicrous presentation is that i now feel free to quote Lyndon Larouche as an authentic voice of American capitalism.
If that was the environmentalists program, clean air, clean water, no litter, restored ecosystems, I'm all for it. But, that's not the communistic plan.
Kyoto wasn't about clean air. or any of the other nobel things you suggested.
The Global Warming (Anthroprogenic) scam is all about control and power and money.
Communisim has always been about money. Your money, their pockets. Castro?? Robert Mugabe??
This is an end run that must be stopped. The sceintific community is on the dole and and says yes massa each time. Fail to follow the party line an you are sceince history.
So, let's do the good things, but let's not let the commies take over.
OH, so I am clear. I consider myself a friend of the environment. So, I refuse to call these commies environmentalists. They are communists in environmentalist clothing. That doesn't include you GO, or me. It does include Al Gore for his power play propaganda.
This is about 2008 and don't anyone forget it.
Power and Money.
IOWAHAWK has 10 things every environmental commie should do to save the planet.
It's a hoot.
Joseph R. McCarthy
Woof:
Are you now, or have you ever been an environmentalist.
When they make me King.......
And by the way, Kyoto was about reducing carbon emissions, and the UK government was absolutely gutted it was not agreed upon, despite the fact that it would not give them power or money, but would force them to work hard on its energy policy.
Anyway, be that as it may, I'm disturbed not to have read any mention of the World Cup which starts on the 9th in Germany!!
For those of you who don't know, The US's
group is:
USA
Italy
Czech Republic
Ghana
Two qualify. The US have a chance, but please whatever you do, don't let Italy get through. I saw them in a "friendly" against Switzerland, and they dived (as usual) and tried to cripple two or three of the Swiss players on the eve of the biggest month of their lives. They're cynical and no credit to the game. Those crazy Czechs are always nifty, and Ghana are the dark horses. Good luck!
I fell asleep.
But I fall asleep a lot.
The environmental movement has a whole lot less to do with the environment than it has to do with ideology.
Hey, at least it is a "World" Cup unlike the baseball "World" (snigger) Series. A bit parochial, surely? I saw a report saying the Yankees had more World Titles than anyone in any sport. Heh heh!! Nonsense.
Is Al Gore running the Bush Admin? Is the Commie/enviro take over complete?
Stealth Takeover
Roman on June 2, 2006 at 1:57 AM
Beautifully said, ex-Marine Roman. Hey, I'm surprised you're getting so much flack; Marines here are golden. Say what you want, it's a 'man' thing. Seriously, you are a breath of fresh air here.
Hey Internet PhD. I don't use any kind of engineering knowledge on my part to make my point. I quote experts, as I did elsewhere.
On the other hand, you with your all-encompassing PhD-ship, think you have some superior wisdom and insight on every subject under the sun, which, of course, you certainly do not.
What it boils down to is that you are a blow-hard.
They own the President, or he is such a disinterested tool that he that he has taken this envirosnake to his bosom.
I think you got a bit carried away. This is good old fashion uniformed bullshit.
For all you guys are skeptical of the media, you perplexedly still anticipate that they can report truthfully and without spin the scientific consensus on any politicized issue, including that of Kyoto, global warming, etc.
Quite bizarre actually.
The fact is there is quite a controversy over the extent of human global warming within the scientific community. Kyoto is generally regarded (by those who actually looked into it, not by those who signed a petition) as lame and ineffective.
Good thing he's got nothing to do with the decision making on Kyoto then. Why support a protocol that excludes the people who are the problem makers.
I know you like to keep a blind eye to the facts, however...
The US per capita is one of the highest CO2 emitters in the world, but after you factor in that we produce 25% of the goods and services for the world, we sit about mid point in CO2 efficiency, and we are continuing to improve over time.
I suppose you've heard of the sulphur restrictions on diesel fuel and the upcoming requirement for catalytic converters for new diesel engines? These are outgrowths of the "anti-environmental" Bush administration.
The problem with Kyoto, as I have spelled out previously in great detail, is that it exempts the real polluters, the developing nations, from being controlled by the protocols.
Since the developing nations are responsible for about three times as much CO2 emissions normalized to production level, yet these nations have been explicitly excluded from the Kyoto Protocol, I simply can't spell out entirely how retarded this document is.
The only thing it is in reality is an economic redistribution plan in the guise of an GHG emissions control treaty.
On July 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95--0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98)[2], which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations CNN. The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.
My short term enviro agenda is to make sure there are pretty pleasant open natural spaces for my kids and I to hike, bike, canoe, kayak, camp, backpack, rock climb, and basically enjoy the beauty of the plant and animal world. My particular interests are deciduous woods and (obviously) tallgrass prairie. I have a lot to learn about river ecology and prairie wetlands. I try to work on local nature issues, as that is all I can really do. Most people that I associate with have a similar global interest and a local hands-on involvement. No hidden agendas, political or otherwise.