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All of these were considerable threats to our society but weighing these threats against all of the unintentional consequences was not done cautiously and lawfully. All of the problems mentioned above could have been handled with more diplomatic measures. I support Ron Paul because he is strong enough to think deeply about issues that take into account cause and effect.
[b]Neocons[/b] are [i]hiding under the beds[/i].
Vote for Ron Paul!
Are you really dumb enough to vote for the supporter vs the candidate?
Why do you think that there are no problems having foreign countries lobbying our public officials?
You can go to fec.gov and investigate every campaign contribution from every candidate. Connect the dots and you will see it's not just Israel. It's also Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc.
I do have a question for you as well to see what you believe the reasons for the Iraq war were and what the reason to stay is. I have heard Bush's argument and I can't see the logic. It just doesn't go full circle for me. Maybe through debate on your beliefs and my beliefs we can understand the situation better.
Maybe I could write an article about morons who try to disinter [b]dead candidacies?[/b]
It's just a question based on you defending Israel and not considering their effect on our foreign policy?
Jared,
Its a small point really, but working on something and talking about it are not the same thing at all in most people's minds.
Has Ron Paul actually DONE anything more in all his years in Congress than John Kerry has accomplished in the Senate?
Here I am trying to find out what your argument is and all I can get out of you is that all Ron Paul supporters are kooks.
[quote][b]several[/b] Ron Paul supporters[/quote]And from this, I, loyal [b]R[/b]on[b]P[/b]aul[b]M[/b]oron, calculate a [i][b]single[/b][/i] Ron Paul supporter in a story [i]I either didn't [b]read[/b] or [b]comprehend[/b]![/i] /sarcasm
[b]Thanks for playing![/b]
It's just a question based on you defending Israel and not considering their effect on our foreign policy? [/quote]Hello! Do you read [i]anything[/i] I write?
Your "logic" goes something like this:
A) [b]I[/b] am troubled by foreign countries having a lobby group and giving money to our politicians.
B) Ron Paul is my candidate.
C) You have said something that could be unfavorable to my candidate.
Therefore, D) [b]you[/b] must believe it's okay for foreign countries to have a lobby group and give money to our politicians?
Un-freaking-believable! Does Ron Paul get the majority of his [i]support[/i] from his supporters' projection, too?
Maybe if a [b]sane[/b] supporter of Ron Paul were to show up [b]not[/b] spouting conspiracies, [b]not[/b] calling everyone who even questions their support "Neocons", maybe we could eliminate a couple of categories. For the record, I don't think [b]anyone[/b] here has called Paul or his foillowers "[b]unpatriotic[/b]", so "everybody" [b]isn't[/b] saying [b]that[/b]. Is that just a straw man you bring to the table, or do you have examples?
Speaking of dealing in facts, maybe if a sane supportrer of Dr. Paul were to show up and take the Ron Paul [url=http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/ron_pauls_greatest_hits/]challenge[/url], that might help spread the Doctor's credibility!
Dr. Paul [i]talks[/i] a good fight. A trait [i]sadly missing[/i] in many of his supporters!
:)
Perhaps this would all be easier for you if you managed to be a bit more precise with the language and a bit less emotional in your attachment to Congressman Paul's candidacy. Presumably, all Senators and Congressmen vote against things they believe to be unconstitutional and in favor of things they believe to be right and proper. If your support is based on how he votes, then say that. Don't try to pass Mr. Paul's pontifications off as accomplishment.
Of course, then, instead of largely incoherent babble, you'll have to articulate his position on key issues and defend the rationale behind those positions. Are you quite sure you're up to that?
Jared,
Why should Bill and Hillary Clinton get all the overseas cash?
1. The Patriot Act
2. The Iraq War
3. The Border
4. The Economy
5. The Constitution
6. The Bill of Rights
7. Muslim Extremism
8. Taxes
9. The National ID Card
10 Nation Building
1. The Patriot Act - I regard this as a necessary measure in view of the technological advances made since 1978 and the types of threats we face today. If somebody, anybody, is making calls to a known or suspected terrorist switchboard in Yemen, or receiving coded internet message from a cave in Waziristan, I want the federal government to know all about it.
2. The Iraq War - Strategically and tactically the correct move. The loss of ingress from Turkey (thank you, Colin Powell, was a major blunder, and the aftermath has been worse than anyone expected. But the fact remains it was still the right thing to do. Saddam should have been forcibly removed, tried and executed the same day it was known that he tried to assassinate Bush 41. Nothing of significance has ever been accomplished by saying it can't be done or by quitting midstream.
3. The Border - Seal it! A country that does not have control of its borders does not have identifiable sovereignty, and is, therefore, not much of a country.
4. The Economy - Anyone who wants to put control of our monetary system back in the hands of Congress is an incompetent moron. The point of a professional central bank is to remove control from partisan hacks on both sides of the aisle. Diminishing the money supply would cause another Great Depression. We are not living in the 1830's... or the 1930's either.
5. The Constitution - All for it. Which portion would you care to discuss?
6. The Bill of Rights - Same answer.
7. Muslim Extremism - Other than stupidity, this is the single biggest threat to our survival as a nation. Any religion or personal belief system that advocates adherence by force is incompatible with freedom.
8. Taxes - Too high... always. Cut spending and taxes become less and less of an issue.
9. National ID Card - unfortunate, but probably unavoidable. I favor a biometric variant. Those who cheat, either at the polls or by being here illegally and draining our unaffordably generous system of federal, state and local benefits are stealing from the taxpayers.
10. Nation Building - Have you ever been a smoker? If so, you'll understand the hypocrisy of smoking yourself while telling your kids not to do so. The term "nation building" is the sort of trite cliche used to cover those who are content too enjoy their own precious freedoms while ignoring the brutal enslavement of others, whether by political systems and autocracy or religious dogma. Those who vociferously object to "nation building" are hypocrites and moral cowards.
Go ahead and chew on that for a while. I'm going to bed.
2. The Iraq war. Sold to us under false pretenses and not a direct connection to Alqueda. 2 weeks after Bush was inaugurated he was planning for the removal of Saddam. The fact that we gave Saddam the chemical weapons and the fact we never did anything about it at the time shows that it was not the real issue to invade Iraq. The real reason is because Saddam agreed to trade his oil on the market in dollars. In 1999 he changed his mind and made an additional 15% on his oil by trading it in Euros. We were told there were WMD's and the truth is after the first Gulf War he had all weapons destroyed and surrendered to remain in power. The UN inspectors never found the weapons before we invaded in 2002. The war has alot to do with taking the oil and dividing it up to American Oil contractors. General Wesley Clark said that after 9-11 the plan was to invade 7 countries in 5 years. So far we have two. Iran and Syria are next.
3. I agree to secure the border. It does not make sense to say we have a war on drugs, a war on terror, a war on illegal immigration while we remain with open borders. I think we should invest heavily in physical border and more military on the border. For the illegal aliens here now make laws to prevent them from receiving social security and end the birth right citizenship. Take away the magnet and less people will want to be illegal. Deport anyone who is arrested that is illegal. Document them and let them clearly know how to aquire legal status and where they can go. Education is a key for these people. They need to understand our laws and respect them or leave. Let them clearly know that we like legal immigration but we will not stand for illegal immigration.
4. Monetary policy. I believe the American people can print the money without need for oversight if the money was backed by gold. The amount of dollars in the market should be reported publicly. This prevents the country from over spending and keeps us out of foreign invasions and unconstitutional spending. Each dollar can be set on a 1/35th of an ounce of gold. Inflation is a hidden tax and our current monetary system can print money that is backed by nothing more than the perception that it's worth something. Currently the inflation rate does not include housing, food, or oil. All of which are far higher than 2-3% annually. The true inflation rate is closer to 10% annually. Unless your pay is going up by 10% per year you are getting robbed of your treasure without any knowledge unless you know how the monetary sytem currently works. I find it more dangerous that we allow a private bank to manipulate the money supply and not report the total amount of dollars on the market. It creates artificial bubbles and economic depressions. I don't believe it was the gold standard that caused the depression. I believe it was because of the war and the banks printed money they didn't have the gold to back it up.
5. So do you agree that our second amendment rights have been infringed? Ex. The Brady Bill. There is a new bill that was blocked by Senator Coburn that makes it illegal to own a gun for mental illness. Including post tramatic stress disorder. ADD etc. Do you believe it is legal to have teachers, counselors etc to make a diagnosis of a persons mental capacity? Do you believe that ADD is a mental illness? Do you believe that it can be tested for? Do you believe that if ADD is something you can test for that this should allow the government to take away their rights. What do you believe the 2nd amendment is for? Do you believe it was for hunting and sports?
Do you believe that we should abolish the IRS? Do a few hours of research on how the IRS came about and how the Federal Reserve Act was accomplished. Then find a law that requires Americans to pay income taxes. Then find the definition of income. Find out which states have controversal laws regarding the income tax. Find out what the income tax pays.
6. I guess you can include my argument from above. I have more arguments but thats enough for now.
7. Muslim extremism I believe by using propaganda that this somehow has to do with muslims increases Alquedas recruiting capability by labeling it as a religious war instead of a criminal act. By doing this it gives them an almost unlimited supply of people to use for religious reasons to attack us.
8. Cut taxes starting with the income tax. The fact that the IRS can tax your wages opens the door to the notion that the government owns you. Allowing you to keep only a certain percentage of your labor. The income tax is supposed to be for corporations not sovereign individuals.
9. I disagree with a national ID card. First of all we have to trust that the government does not use technology against us. Unfortunatly we have proven that we can't trust the government to protect our human rights. This national ID Card has a chip in it. The same chip that can be implanted into your skin. With this technology they can use to tune into your conversation. Track where you are. Put your medical, criminal, and family history on this chip. If you believe in the bible doesn't it say something about the mark of the beast?
10. Nation Building. Like you said if you have to use force to spread your religion or customs on people it's not compatible with freedom. Same thing goes for nation building. If you believe we can spread democracy through the force of guns I disagree with you. We should trade with people. Talk to people. But never invade a country under the ideas of pre-emptive war. We should use the Just war theory. This prevents the unintended consequences and the trouble here at home with people who don't believe the war was Just.
That's all for now. I recommend watching Freedom to Fascism. Excuse me for any grammer errors and mispellings. I did not proof read it.
That's where you outed yourself as a liar. One, it wasn't "false pretenses" and nobody but people like you thought it had anything to do with Al Qaeda. Secondly, we didn't give Saddam any chemical weapons.
As for Bush planning the removal of Saddam - good. It shows that he had a good head on him and was already thinking of removing Saddam. That said, where is your proof of this claim? You don't have it.
10. Nation Building. Like you said if you have to use force to spread your religion or customs on people it's not compatible with freedom.
Right. We should just let dictators rule over people and act as if that is "freedom". Are you smoking something?
Same thing goes for nation building. If you believe we can spread democracy through the force of guns I disagree with you.
Why would you? History has proven that it works time and time again. You don't agree with history? Sounds like a personal problem.
But never invade a country under the ideas of pre-emptive war.
So,..sit by and watch our enemies arm themselves. That's great logic if you're suicidal.
This prevents the unintended consequences and the trouble here at home with people who don't believe the war was Just.
Those people are idiots. Think about it - they're defending Saddam and his rule. Why should we give a rat's ass what those imbeciles think?
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/02/...
http://www.counterpunch.org/dixon06172004.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-846774...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6936487...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-702841...
from citizens. [b]A temporary suspension of some things during wartime is quite common; read up on the internal security measures taken during WWII, if you need further information. We survived that quite well, as I remember. More scareology.[/b] I believe that if you sacrifice liberty for temporary security you deserve neither. [b]You just don't understand National Security during wartime; it's a practical thing, not blind adherence to an ideal.[/b] I believe that terrorists acts are a tactic used by people who are desperate. [b]Terrorism is a strategy by which a smaller, weaker and militarily inferior force may defeat a larger, militarily superior force by making the population that supports them lose heart. It has apparently worked with people like you and Ron Paul.[/b] They want freedom and the biggest oppressor is usually our government. [b]They want world domination and control, just like you, and will stop at nothing to get it. No govt could be more oppressive than the one you and Hillary would impose on us.[/b][/quote]
This is pure crap. In Iraq, for instance, we removed a brutal dictator that had been oppressing and enslaving his people for decades, and freed them to be able to determine, for themselves, what they wanted. You confuse dictatorship with freedom. Hint: Removing dictators is good.
Not in general, as you ridiculously assert, but specifically, in the case of terrorists.
Since you completely missed the point about terrorism being a strategy, you have come to erroneous conclusions; you just keep spouting your talking points. Your scareology hyperbole is reminiscent of the Y2K scare. That turned out to be entirely false, as well. When you build on an erroneous premise, none of your conclusions are true. GIGO
Expect a lot more refutation in the future, from me and others.
That's what protecting freedom is about. You have to keep an eye open for enemies foreign and domestic. That's what our soldiers swear to do. Our founding fathers were very concerned about this. That is why we have the right to bear arms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru0bxSqWMdo
Jared,
You seem to imply, willfully or not, that those "freedoms" are all well and good for Americans, but that we should not expend any sort of effort or treasure on behalf of those who are not so fortunate to be born here. I'm curious where that sort of callous arrogance comes from. Why do you feel that Americans are entitled to the "blessings of liberty" but apparently no one else is?
Next, you offer these questions regarding next year's presidential elections and the various candidates:
[quote]Who is your favorite presidential candidate? What are they going to do to stop the war? How can they provide peace to the American people?[/quote]
But you offer no distinction between Iraq and the global war against radical Islam. Is this because you agree that Iraq is merely one front in the War on Terror, as Mr. Bush has stated? Or are you so vehemently opposed to any sort of military action that any one war is as bad as any other?
I notice that your questions also include no suggestion that the US ought to actually try to win at war, but merely that war ought to be stopped. I infer that you are rather young and not especially worldly despite your education, but does it really not ever occur to you that winning would be the best outcome of all... for the US and for the Iraqis as well?
Finally, I'm curious if you have given any serious thought to the question of Iran. Are you willing to allow the world's single biggest promoter and sponsor of terrorism to acquire nuclear weapons? The government of Iran has repeatedly stated its desire to defeat the US and wipe Israel off the map. How much of that are you willing to allow to happen before you'd endorse a course of action to oppose, or hopefully prevent those things from happening? Is the risk of nuclear weaponry in the hands of Islamist terrorist an acceptable one to you?
1) The former Mexican President Vicente Fox confirmed the existence of a government plan to create the amero as a new regional currency to replace the U.S. dollar.
2) Tommy Cryer's tax trial, it is IRS related.
Everyone:
We are at war with Iraq to protect the Unites States from a future attack by terrorists, at the same time we have freed the Iraqi people from a ruthless dictator with a goal to democratize Iraq. We have also preemptively insured ourselves an oil supply.
We will keep Iran and other threatening nations from gaining the ability to create nuclear weapons because they are indeed a threat, we will foster in a United States National ID cards to deter illegal aliens and maybe for other reasons. We will continue to enforce the Patriot act the Homeland security bill and others like it that may need to be implemented in the future.
There will never be a North American Union that nullifies the sovereignty of the United States, our monetary system will never be the likes of the Euro. I gotta get something to eat but how much of this is really true?
I think that you have heard it repeatedly on Fox news but the quote is completely false and the real translation is much different in context than the way you are trying to use it. http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jonathan_st...
That's an expert who translated it. I don't think for a minute that Iran is working on nuclear weapons. They are a member of the IAEA and continue to allow inspectors in. They are willing to talk and they were our allie before we invaded Afghanistan. So I don't think we should do anything provactive in the matter. Everyone uses the terror card too much. Iran is not the biggest sponsor of terrorism. Where did you get those facts at? To me they appear to be rational and peaceful. We appear to be billegerant and hateful. How do you explain that?
As far as Iraq is concerned we have already won the war. We got rid of Saddam, They held elections. The only reason we seem to stay is to continue the plan to invade 7 countries in 5 years. It seems to be a plan to have a global government and I'm against it. Look at the European Union. Look at this proposed North American Union that Vicente Fox confirmed was not just a conspiracy theory. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2104364...
It seems to be coming together don't you think? We need to have a balance of power in the world. Not 1 power able to crush any opposition. Are you going to always trust the government? History has many examples of a government oppressing the people. If we have 1 government in charge who is going to put that government in check?
Why can't we buy our oil in a free market without worrying about trying to steal it from these countries? There are alot better ways to create energy than oil. So far we've spent almost a trillion dollars on the war. We could have spent that money on newer technology and eliminate the threat of oil terrorism.
However, if I [i]did[/i] trust the government and was going to stop, I think I'd begin with the libertarian part of the Texas Congressional delegation...